LeftieBiker wrote:I'm not sure you understand how much even L-2 stations cost to install at a commercial location.
If you omit the EVSE and have a 240vac 30amp plug near the air compressor your cost is $200-$500 over the price of having a 220vac air compressor by its lonesome. (Could be even less if internal resources do the install during the planning stage of the building )
I think the key to low cost is the EV driver should bear the burden of carrying the portable charger, the station owner or storeowner should just provide an outlet.
The mistake is thinking you need an EVSE to provide charging. Acceptance is higher if it's just an outlet at an out of the way stall
I'm afraid the law makers wouldn't be happy with that. And businesses are afraid of liability problems. Offering a NEMA 15-50 outlet for public use could be asking for problems. So that puts us back at the thousands of dollars per installation cost for each J1772 charging station.
"SageBrush"]EVs that cost anywhere near $20k, have limited functionality compared to an ICE, and degrade so fast you can watch the Ahr fall by the month are the epitome of a niche market.
"My" $50k Tesla has a host of bells and whistles. A very nicely equipped Model 3 is $35k. Please stop the BS.
I can see where short range EV's can still be competitive. The Mitsubishi Mirage has had at times a MSRP of less than $10,000 (like the 2015 models in early 2016). Yet the cheapest EV is more than twice that. I almost went and bought a brand new Mirage. At less than $10,000, it cost about the same price as my used 2013 Leaf. And at nearly 50mpg the cost effectiveness almost convinced me. But I'm glad I got my Leaf instead. After I bought my Leaf one lady, a grandma who only drives around town within a radius of about 5 miles, also followed my example and went and bought herself a Leaf for about $6,000. Now I've found several more people wanting to buy cheap used Leafs as second vehicles, and only two people that wanted a Bolt "just so they could go far in an electric car." And I've explained to them that the battery will degrade and that it's range will be less and less. Yet they are still interested in them. One guy even wants to buy a used 2013 Leaf and import it to Belize after I let him test drive my Leaf. I get comments like, "Ya, but I only need a car for getting to and from work," "I only drive 30 miles per or less per day" and "But electricity is about 1/3 the price of gasoline." As said many a times, the EV is a great second vehicle, one that will fill most people's daily needs.
If the public's only choice is a $35,000 or more electric car that still has a limited range vs. a $10,000 electric car that will work fine for around town then I don't see mass adoption of EV's anytime soon. Yes, it would be nice for EV's to be able to do everything an ICEV can do. But if it's at a higher price people aren't going to fall for it.
But when you bring up the subject of charging stations you're now talking about taking the EV beyond the average daily driver need of 30 miles. Obviously a 75mile and degrading range vehicle isn't that practical for such long trips. So it seems the two go hand in hand for someone thinking about one or the other. IMO, if the future of the EV is to model it's range after the ICEV, then likely the charging infrastructure will end up being modeled after the gasoline station too.