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AB544 extending green and white stickers signed.

Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:30 pm

New legislation to extend the HOV program (among other things) through 2025 in California has been signed by Brown - details here: http://www.imperialvalleynews.com/index ... sales.html

Something curious in AB544:
1) Provided that, for white HOV decals issued for ILEVs and green HOV decals issued for TZEVs, the following expiration dates apply:
a) Decals issued prior to January 1, 2018, are valid until January 1, 2019;
b) Decals issued on or after January 1, 2018, and before January 1, 2019, are valid until January 1, 2022; and,
c) Decals issued on or after January 1, 2019, are valid until January 1 of the fourth year after the year of issuance.

So, at most, decals are good for four years and cannot be renewed.
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Re: AB544 extending green and white stickers signed.

Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:10 pm

That's ok, I guess. But it sounds like a pain in the butt to enforce. And makes leases that much more preferable to purchase for people whose primary motivation is HOV access.
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Re: AB544 extending green and white stickers signed.

Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:11 pm

I keep thinking the green stickers would expire first.

Hard to understand how a single color could have different expiration. How can that be enforced?
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Re: AB544 extending green and white stickers signed.

Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:13 am

smkettner wrote:I keep thinking the green stickers would expire first.

Hard to understand how a single color could have different expiration. How can that be enforced?


The simplest way would be to change the design to add an expiration year to them.
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Re: AB544 extending green and white stickers signed.

Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:19 pm

To me, while I'd still like to see them reduce the income limits to no more than half what they currently are, the most important change is that after 1/1/18 high income individuals are no longer eligible to get both the state rebate and the stickers - they've got to choose one or the other. I have no doubt at all that most of the Tesla/BMW/Mercedes/Porsche etc. PEV buyers will opt for the sticker, leaving far more money to be distributed to those for whom the rebate has far more value. I just wish that they'd also limited the max. MSRP + Dest. or better yet the out-the-door price less government taxes and fees to say $40k, decreasing on an annual or biannual basis.

(b) (1) The department shall not issue a decal, label, or other identifier to an applicant who has received a consumer rebate pursuant to the Clean Vehicle Rebate Project, established as part of the Air Quality Improvement Program pursuant to Article 3 (commencing with Section 44274) of Chapter 8.9 of Part 5 of Division 26 of the Health and Safety Code, for a vehicle purchased on or after January 1, 2018, unless the rebate was issued to a buyer whose gross annual income falls below one hundred fifty thousand dollars ($150,000) for a person who files a tax return as a single person, two hundred four thousand dollars ($204,000) for a person who files a tax return as a head of household, and three hundred thousand dollars ($300,000) for a person who files a joint tax return.
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Re: AB544 extending green and white stickers signed.

Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:54 pm

^^^
The verbiage at https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/face ... 20180AB544 is confusing. I'll need to re-read it a bunch of times to figure it out.

https://ww2.kqed.org/science/2017/09/15 ... ne-access/ that was written in Sept 2017 claimed
In addition, drivers that receive the Clean Vehicle Rebate, a state-funded rebate that can be several thousand dollars, won’t be eligible for HOV lane stickers unless their gross annual income falls below $150,000 for a single tax filer, $204,000 for a head of household filer, and $300,000 for joint filers.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/news.php?id=20002 confirms the signing.

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AB544 and impact on white CA HOV stickers

Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:37 pm

SO I read the new AB 544 bill correctly
- Cars purchased in 2019: HOV sticker will be good thru Jan 1 2025 (good)
- Cars purchased in 2017 & 2018: can apply for extension of HOV sticker (Jan 1 2019 -> extend to Jan 1 2025 (also good)

- Cars purchased in 2016 or earlier are SOL ???? Stickers expire Jan 1 2019 and cannot be extended ????? (yikes !!)


I have a 2013 Leaf (initially leased, then purchased when I got 5K off the lease buy-back from Nissan). So if my read of the bill is correct, the HOV stickers for this car will not be renewable. Which means the value of the car will almost instantly drop to "0" (who will want a 2013 Leaf which is not eligible for HOV sticker ??)


Does anybody else have comments ? Hope I am mis-reading the bill. Otherwise I better trade in my Leaf for something in the very near future, before its value drops to 0 !!


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Re: AB544 extending green and white stickers signed.

Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:37 pm

cwerdna wrote:^^^
The verbiage at https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/face ... 20180AB544 is confusing. I'll need to re-read it a bunch of times to figure it out.

https://ww2.kqed.org/science/2017/09/15 ... ne-access/ that was written in Sept 2017 claimed
In addition, drivers that receive the Clean Vehicle Rebate, a state-funded rebate that can be several thousand dollars, won’t be eligible for HOV lane stickers unless their gross annual income falls below $150,000 for a single tax filer, $204,000 for a head of household filer, and $300,000 for joint filers.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/news.php?id=20002 confirms the signing.

Which part of the verbiage did you find confusing? The part about high-income people not being able to get both the rebate and the stickers seems clear. I admit the explanation of some of the expiration dates was a bit murky, but as best I can tell it says that those who got a sticker between 1/1/17 and 1/1/18 will have to get another one to carry them to the end of the expiration period.
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Re: AB544 and impact on white CA HOV stickers

Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:48 pm

There's already a thread about it: viewtopic.php?p=508066#p508066
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Re: AB544 extending green and white stickers signed.

Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:14 am

It's a really long read in the legislature weblink.

What happens people who own say, 2011 Leafs with expiring HOV stickers? What are our options? Do our stickers expire Jan 1 2019 and cannot be extended ?

I would like to keep my 2011 Leaf for as long as possible, but I also need my HOV sticker.


GRA wrote:
cwerdna wrote:^^^
The verbiage at https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/face ... 20180AB544 is confusing. I'll need to re-read it a bunch of times to figure it out.

https://ww2.kqed.org/science/2017/09/15 ... ne-access/ that was written in Sept 2017 claimed
In addition, drivers that receive the Clean Vehicle Rebate, a state-funded rebate that can be several thousand dollars, won’t be eligible for HOV lane stickers unless their gross annual income falls below $150,000 for a single tax filer, $204,000 for a head of household filer, and $300,000 for joint filers.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/news.php?id=20002 confirms the signing.

Which part of the verbiage did you find confusing? The part about high-income people not being able to get both the rebate and the stickers seems clear. I admit the explanation of some of the expiration dates was a bit murky, but as best I can tell it says that those who got a sticker between 1/1/17 and 1/1/18 will have to get another one to carry them to the end of the expiration period.

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