AndyH said:(snip)
Mitch - do you know who and/or how the Electrification Coalition is lobbying/briefing/financing to push their plan?
Andy
evnow said:Energy Independence sounds great, but it is myth / pipedream. I've stopped drinking that koolaid.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2008/03/17/the-myth-of-energy-independence.html
ps : If we reduce our oil consumption by 50% and nationalise all the oil companies - then we can talk about Energy Independence. Until then it is just an empty political rhetoric.
mitch672 said:It's better to start down this road and have a chance of reaching the goal of using less foriegn oil eventually, than to never try...
AndyH said:Our grandparents understood self-sufficiency. Some of our parents did as well. That seems to be something we've allowed to atrophy due primarily to abundant cheap oil. We have the technical ability to greatly expand our wind and solar generation capability. We have the technical ability to expand the electrical transmission infrastructure. We have plenty of Americans looking for work. All we need is a plan and someone with enough foresight and intestinal fortitude to make it happen.
evnow said:The biggest myth is that we can do this AND not have to change our lifestyles & priorities. That we can't.
It is easy to assume new technology will solve all the problems without any pain. Thats what politicians want to tell - otherwise they will be out of the job quickly. Everyone keeps saying we can reduce emissions without any impact to "growth". BS.
evnow said:Run the numbers and show me how it works. Until then, it is not real.
evnow said:Energy Independence sounds great, but it is myth / pipedream. I've stopped drinking that koolaid.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2008/03/17/the-myth-of-energy-independence.html
ps : If we reduce our oil consumption by 50% and nationalise all the oil companies - then we can talk about Energy Independence. Until then it is just an empty political rhetoric.
Jimmydreams said:Is that article is supposed to wean me off of the koolaid?
garygid said:Perhaps the first-order meaning of working toward "Energy Independence" would be having the goal of no longer needing to import energy (into some humaniod-defined "region").
Yes, life style changes will be comming. Some now, and a lot more "later". Not if, but when.
evnow said:May be we will be energy independent because we can't procure the oil that we want to import.
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