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ABG: U.S. to propose revoking California power to set auto emissions rules It could increase U.S. oil consumption by 500

Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:18 pm

U.S. to propose revoking California power to set auto emissions rules
It could increase U.S. oil consumption by 500,000 barrels per day
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/07/23/epa-dot-california-car-emissions/

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is expected to propose revoking California's ability to set state vehicle emissions rules and mandate electric vehicles as early as later this week, a government official briefed on the matter said.

The U.S. Transportation Department and Environmental Protection Agency are expected to unveil a proposed regulation that recommends freezing vehicle emissions requirements at 2020 levels through 2026, the official said on condition of anonymity because it has not yet been made public. . . .

The proposal is sure to spark a massive fight with California and a dozen other states that have adopted the rules. Eliminating the mandate could hurt automakers like Tesla Inc and General Motors Co that are investing billions in EVs.

The proposal will seek to reverse planned hikes in fuel efficiency standards adopted by the Obama administration. Freezing the standards would reduce the average fleet fuel economy standard from a current projected level of 46.8 miles per gallon in 2026 and reduce it to 37 miles per gallon, according to an earlier draft obtained by Democratic Senator Tom Carper. . . .
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Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:23 pm

Too bad--if this administration has its way, our electric cars could become collector items in a few years instead of mainstream transportation.
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Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:48 pm

GerryAZ wrote:Too bad--if this administration has its way, our electric cars could become collector items in a few years instead of mainstream transportation.


This administration can delay the inevitable. Someday, the last oil well will deliver the last barrel of oil to the last refinery... Either because no more is wanted at any price, or because the cost to find, drill and pump oil has risen to the level where alternatives are better, or that the alternatives have gotten so good that they just win.

Oil has a "sell by" date. And the clock is not stopping the ticking sound.
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Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:03 pm

Even the Trump regime should think twice before going up against CARB.
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Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:14 pm

Nubo wrote:Even the Trump regime should think twice before going up against CARB.


I hope CARB fights all the way to the Supreme Court, if necessary. California's rules are why we have electric cars available from major manufacturers. Fortunately for those of us in other states, a few manufactueres are willing to sell electric cars nationwide. We don't have the selection available in CA, but at least we have Nissan, Tesla, and a couple of others available in AZ.
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Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:34 am

There are a few other countries that will be banning ICE. That still puts pressure on our global car manufacturers to produce electric vehicles even if our Republican government is bought by big oil.
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Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:14 pm

Evoforce wrote:There are a few other countries that will be banning ICE. That still puts pressure on our global car manufacturers to produce electric vehicles even if our Republican government is bought by big oil.

Big Oil has been against some of the administration's moves, e.g.: https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=26240

Shell and BP have been buying or affiliating with QC network companies and installing QCs at their stations, primarily in Europe for now. IIRR Total is also involved.
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Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:29 am

GRA wrote:
Evoforce wrote:There are a few other countries that will be banning ICE. That still puts pressure on our global car manufacturers to produce electric vehicles even if our Republican government is bought by big oil.

Big Oil has been against some of the administration's moves, e.g.: https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=26240

Shell and BP have been buying or affiliating with QC network companies and installing QCs at their stations, primarily in Europe for now. IIRR Total is also involved.


Because Big Oil knows in other countries that the writing is on the wall. They are trying to figure out how to transition to continue to be relevant. At one time, BP got into solar manufacturing and sales. I think I remember seeing that they sold that division off, but I may be mistaken. I am glad to see that they are starting to admit man made climate change.
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Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:32 pm

Evoforce wrote:
GRA wrote:
Evoforce wrote:There are a few other countries that will be banning ICE. That still puts pressure on our global car manufacturers to produce electric vehicles even if our Republican government is bought by big oil.

Big Oil has been against some of the administration's moves, e.g.: https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=26240

Shell and BP have been buying or affiliating with QC network companies and installing QCs at their stations, primarily in Europe for now. IIRR Total is also involved.

Because Big Oil knows in other countries that the writing is on the wall. They are trying to figure out how to transition to continue to be relevant. At one time, BP got into solar manufacturing and sales. I think I remember seeing that they sold that division off, but I may be mistaken. I am glad to see that they are starting to admit man made climate change.

It was Big Oil that commercialized PV in the first place, in the late '60s/early '70s IIRR. The space stuff was far too expensive for terrestrial use, but Big Oil could use it on oil platforms, so Exxon, Mobil, ARCO, BP and Shell all had solar divisions at one time. AFAIK they were all sold off because there wasn't enough business or profit in it for them. A division of Exxon also commercialized the first Li battery in the '70s and the first Li-ion battery in the '80s, and that division was sold off for the same reasons they got rid of their PV division.
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Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:13 pm

As expected, via GCC:
US EPA and DOT propose freezing light-duty fuel economy, GHG standards at 2020 level for MY 2021-2026 vehicles; 43.7 mpg for cars; 50-state solution
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/08/20180802-epadot.html

California's reply can be found here:
Governor Brown, Attorney General Becerra, and California Air Resources Board: At Every Turn, We Will Defend Our Nation’s Clean Car Emissions Standards
https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/news/governor-brown-attorney-general-becerra-and-california-air-resources-board-every-turn-we-will

. . . “For Trump to now destroy a law first enacted at the request of Ronald Reagan five decades ago is a betrayal and an assault on the health of Americans everywhere,” said Governor Brown. “Under his reckless scheme, motorists will pay more at the pump, get worse gas mileage and breathe dirtier air. California will fight this stupidity in every conceivable way possible.”

“The Trump Administration has launched a brazen and unlawful attack on our nation’s Clean Car Standards. The California Department of Justice will use every legal tool at its disposal to fight back,” said Attorney General Becerra. “Our nation’s Clean Car Standards save consumers thousands of dollars, protect our families’ health, and ensure that we continue tackling climate change, the most important global environmental issue of our time. We are ready to do what is necessary to hold this Administration accountable.”

“At first glance, this proposal completely misrepresents costs and savings. It also relies on bizarre assumptions about consumer behavior to make its case on safety,” said California Air Resources Board Chair Mary D. Nichols. “CARB will examine all 978 pages of fine print to figure out how the Administration can possibly justify its absurd conclusion that weakening standards to allow dirtier, less efficient vehicles will actually save lives and money. Stay tuned for further comment. Meantime, California remains fully committed to a rigorous 50-state program with a full range of vehicle choices. That program is in effect right now and will remain so for the foreseeable future.”

Additional statements from Attorneys General across the country are available. . . .

CARB's website seems to be having issues today, as it's very slow.
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