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ABG: EV push in Norway could add $1.3 billion to power bills by 2040

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:29 pm

EV push in Norway could add $1.3 billion to power bills by 2040
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/06/08/nor ... -charging/
Norway's power grid is likely to need an 11 billion crown ($1.3 billion) upgrade over the next 20 years to meet demand from the country's growing fleet of electric cars, with consumers likely to have to foot the bill, a study has shown.

Electric vehicle (EV) sales in Norway reached a record high in March, with almost 60% of new cars sold fully electric, a result of state policy to exclude such vehicles from certain taxes and offer free or cheaper road tolls, parking and charging points.

Aiming to end fossil-fueled car sales by 2025, Norway electric vehicles now account for 220,000 of its total 2.7 million cars. It aims to have a mostly carbon-neutral fleet on its roads by 2040.

In a study conducted for Norway's power regulator with DNV GL, state-appointed consultancy Poyry said a power grid investment of up to 11 billion crowns would be needed by 2040 if most passenger cars were by then powered by electricity and drivers maintained their current charging habits.

"If nothing is done, charging every afternoon to evening seems most likely. In that case, the 11 billion ... grid cost is paid by all customers," Poyry's Norway director Kjetil Ingeberg told Reuters.

He said that all electricity consumers would face rising costs as a separate EV charging tariff was unlikely.

Poyry's data showed that 60% of the investment would be for low-voltage grids, 10% for substations, 28% for high-voltage grids and 2% for high-voltage transformers.

However, Norway's drivers could keep costs down by changing their charging habits.

Charging car batteries at night would drop new grid costs to almost zero, while charging in the afternoon and only when batteries are relatively empty would require just above 4 billion crowns of investment.

If drivers continue to plug vehicles in every afternoon, the average peak demand time will shift to 1700-2000 CET from 0800-0900 CET, the study also showed. . . .
ToU pricing should solve the problem.
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Re: ABG: EV push in Norway could add $1.3 billion to power bills by 2040

Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:40 am

Click-bait title

The facts are that a $1.3 Billion USD investment in the grid is required to supply 100% EV penetration and lumped charging between 17:00 and 22:00.That is a ~ $565 bill per household, spread over some 20 years.

Figure they finance the project, so somewhere in the neighborhood of $1.25 a month per household. In Norwegian terms, that is about equivalent to the cost of 0.5 litre of car fossil fuel per month. Does anybody in their right mind think this 'news' troubles the people of Norway ?
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Re: ABG: EV push in Norway could add $1.3 billion to power bills by 2040

Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:58 am

I agree that the title is sensationalist.
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Re: ABG: EV push in Norway could add $1.3 billion to power bills by 2040

Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:45 pm

The grid in Norway must be in great shape to be able to support all of the additional charging during evening peak time with moderate upgrades to the distribution system, minimal upgrades to the transmission system, and no additional generation. The bottom line--no upgrades needed if people are encouraged to charge during off-peak hours! The article was written to be sensationalist, but the quoted facts speak for themselves when read carefully.
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Re: ABG: EV push in Norway could add $1.3 billion to power bills by 2040

Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:48 pm

GerryAZ wrote:The grid in Norway must be in great shape to be able to support all of the additional charging during evening peak time with moderate upgrades to the distribution system, minimal upgrades to the transmission system, and no additional generation. The bottom line--no upgrades needed if people are encouraged to charge during off-peak hours! The article was written to be sensationalist, but the quoted facts speak for themselves when read carefully.
I agree, and wonder why Norwegians are apparently charging during the afternoon/evening peak now.
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Re: ABG: EV push in Norway could add $1.3 billion to power bills by 2040

Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:30 am

Electricity is relatively cheap in Norway and nobody seems to care to much of this now. We don't use different prices during peak hours now, it is the same price throughout the day. Peak hours pricing will however come in the future. Power consumption have gone up a lot in recent years (not only due to electric cars) and power grid maintenance has appearantly been sort of neglected for many years. It will cost to bring it up to a level where it is able to cope with future demands.

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Re: ABG: EV push in Norway could add $1.3 billion to power bills by 2040

Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:52 pm

kaiat wrote:Electricity is relatively cheap in Norway and nobody seems to care to much of this now. We don't use different prices during peak hours now, it is the same price throughout the day. Peak hours pricing will however come in the future. Power consumption have gone up a lot in recent years (not only due to electric cars) and power grid maintenance has appearantly been sort of neglected for many years. It will cost to bring it up to a level where it is able to cope with future demands.
Thanks for the info. I knew you had hydro in excess, so time-of-use pricing probably just didn't make sense, but as you say it will in future (and certainly be cheaper than upgrading the grid).
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Re: ABG: EV push in Norway could add $1.3 billion to power bills by 2040

Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:10 pm

Way to go Norway! Nearly 60% of new sales are EV is quite an accomplishment. I think the grid challenge is a good problem to have and can be readily addressed, especially since they know it now and have plenty of time to plan and implement.
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Re: ABG: EV push in Norway could add $1.3 billion to power bills by 2040

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:09 pm

DarthPuppy wrote:Way to go Norway! Nearly 60% of new sales are EV is quite an accomplishment.
That was an unusual month related to pent up demand for the Tesla Model 3. In May 2019 EVs were 35% of the non-commercial vehicle market while EV+PHEV+HEV was 75%.
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Re: ABG: EV push in Norway could add $1.3 billion to power bills by 2040

Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:09 pm

Good to know the detail on that. Still far better penetration than we have here and a notable accomplishment.
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