States Won't Give Higher Rates to Wind

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An interesting news item illutrating how some wind developers (the example one is a big-oil company) are seekng to charge higher rates for their energy by manipulating the size and number of their projects, and how public utility commissions do what they are supposed to do - keep the price of electricity reasonable and protect consumers from such manipulations by generators.

http://www.energybiz.com/article/11/08/states-wont-give-higher-rates-wind&utm_medium=eNL&utm_campaign=EB_DAILY2&utm_term=Original-Member

For those who may not be able to access the referenced web site:
States Won't Give Higher Rates to Wind
Aug 03 - The Times-News, Idaho -

A handful of Idaho wind energy developers will have to negotiate how much they'll be paid for the energy they produce after state regulators said again that they'll offer special rates to only the smallest producers.
The Idaho Public Utilities Commission on Wednesday reaffirmed four June 8 orders stating that it won't extend to 14 proposed projects its previously larger cap on the Public Utility Regulatory Policies Act rates that created a favorable climate for the development of wind energy in Idaho. Contracts for the proposals -- including nine in the Mini-Cassia area -- became effective on or after the deadline for the expanded rate cap expired, the PUC said in a Wednesday release.

The state is required to determine and publish the special rate for projects that develop up to 100 kilowatts. During the state's wind industry infancy, the PUC opted to extend the rate to projects that produce up to 10 megawatts -- 100 times the mandated cap -- through Dec. 14, 2010. The rate is based on the price of natural gas, and pays qualifying wind and solar producers based on the cost a purchasing utility -- Idaho Power, Areva and Rocky Mountain Power in the Gem State -- avoids by not having to generate or buy power from elsewhere.

Idaho's regulated electric utilities petitioned the PUC last November to reduce the energy cap it offered, claiming that large Idaho wind projects were breaking themselves into smaller 10 MW projects in order to take advantage of PURPA rates that were higher than what they could negotiate with the utilities.

The utilities claimed the increased cap forced them into buying power they don't need at rates that aren't reasonable for their customers.

In June, the Northwest and Intermountain Power Producers Coalition argued that the 10 MW cap has worked "remarkably well for Idaho" and called its loss "unfortunate."

But the proposed Cotterel project near Burley represents the type of development the utilities railed against. Shell-owned Cotterel WindEnergy Center initially responded to a 2009 Idaho Power bid request as one large 150 MW project, according to the PUC. But after an agreement wasn't reached, it was divided into five 10 MW projects, for which Cotterel submitted five PURPA contracts scheduled to start in 2014.

Under the 10 MW cap, the projects' projected earnings stretched to $716.4 million over 20 years.
 
i invest in a company marketed as a "neighborhood Wind developer" Juhl Wind Energy System a small company in MN specializes in city or community owned projects generally in the under 10 MW size.

its this market that needs to strive. i am not sure that helping big oil dominate this industry is in our best interests. we already have too much lobbyist control in congress now over oil, gas and coal industries
 
This is why I support individual solar on your roof. Harvest what you use and keep the oily mega corps in check.
 
TRONZ said:
This is why I support individual solar on your roof. Harvest what you use and keep the oily mega corps in check.
That's fine for an individual, but if we ever hope to put a serious dent into fossil fuel usage, we're going to have to make the big projects work, too
 
davewill said:
TRONZ said:
This is why I support individual solar on your roof. Harvest what you use and keep the oily mega corps in check.
That's fine for an individual, but if we ever hope to put a serious dent into fossil fuel usage, we're going to have to make the big projects work, too

if the prediction is true that PV will be around a dollar a Watt within a couple of years, your going to see solar getting within reach of the average American, and widely adopted by individuals almost over night, IMHO. If that comes true, things are going to get really interesting!
 
davewill said:
TRONZ said:
This is why I support individual solar on your roof. Harvest what you use and keep the oily mega corps in check.
That's fine for an individual, but if we ever hope to put a serious dent into fossil fuel usage, we're going to have to make the big projects work, too
Dr. Lovins and his Rocky Mountain Institute crew report that we can replace all US coal power generation right now by putting PV on "about 3%" of our buildings.

No additional land use, no 2-7 year development cycle.

What's not to like about that? ;)
 
AndyH said:
davewill said:
TRONZ said:
This is why I support individual solar on your roof. Harvest what you use and keep the oily mega corps in check.
That's fine for an individual, but if we ever hope to put a serious dent into fossil fuel usage, we're going to have to make the big projects work, too
Dr. Lovins and his Rocky Mountain Institute crew report that we can replace all US coal power generation right now by putting PV on "about 3%" of our buildings.

No additional land use, no 2-7 year development cycle.

What's not to like about that? ;)

And when the sun sets ? Lovins is anti nuke from day one and hasn't changed one bit in the past 40 years.
 
TRONZ said:
This is why I support individual solar on your roof. Harvest what you use and keep the oily mega corps in check.
davewill said:
That's fine for an individual, but if we ever hope to put a serious dent into fossil fuel usage, we're going to have to make the big projects work, too
AndyH said:
Dr. Lovins and his Rocky Mountain Institute crew report that we can replace all US coal power generation right now by putting PV on "about 3%" of our buildings.

No additional land use, no 2-7 year development cycle. What's not to like about that? ;)
Nekota said:
And when the sun sets ? Lovins is anti nuke from day one and hasn't changed one bit in the past 40 years.
And when the sun sets? Wait...I can get this...um...crud...Oh Yeah! - It gets dark?! :shock: :lol:

Coal is used to generate less than 1/2 of this country's electricity. According to my understanding of numbers and stuff, that means there's still a bit more than 1/2 of generation available during the overnight period that just happens to coincide with low demand (what a cool coincidence!). ;)

The point is that it's easy to make the coal plants redundant now with zero new tech and no grid storage. Grid storage is commercially available now, and heaven knows we've got plenty to do on the conservation side...

As for anti-nuke - how is that a problem? Nuclear generation cannot get private investment, and it's becoming more difficult to get private money for coal plants. Those bits of intelligence info from the industry should be very, very telling...
 
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