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DarkStar

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Yesterday, Ken Rockwell posted a message on his very popular photography blog regarding electric cars being a "crock." His post reveals how misinformed he is, however I do sense a lot of anger in his words.

I ask that you contact Ken Rockwell via email (see his contact page) and politely let him know that you believe he is misinformed, citing examples from his blog post.

From: http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/00-new-today.htm

Crock: Electric Cars

Electric cars are a crock. I've been too polite to share, but since a reader asked, there are some huge practical and environmental problems if everyone started doing the wrong thing and driving electric cars. This whole thing is sponsored by companies that stand to make billions if people started buying these things.

The big gotcha that most non-electronic engineers don't realize is that electric cars consume huge amounts of electric power. One electric car consumes as much power in typical operation as four homes! Why do you think they need special wiring and take forever to charge? Why do you think the batteries fill up half the trunk? All the power to charge these things has to come from somewhere; it's not like charging the little battery in your D300. (PS - as soon as I can find the box, since I haven't used my D300 since 2007, I ought to sell it.)

Here's the big problem: If we all got electric cars, we'd need four times as many new electric power plants, and four times as many transmission towers to get that power to our homes! Imagine a landscape cluttered with power lines; how else will we get four times as much electric power home or at work to charge all these things? These aren't just golf carts.

It's ironic that the same people who worry about replacing real bulbs with carcinogenic CFL bulbs loaded with mercury, lead, EMI and EMF just to save five watts are the same ones mislead to think that an electric car that charges at 10,000 watts overnight on 440V three-phase is saving energy.

Each horsepower requires about 745 watts, but only if the car is 100% efficient, which they are not. It will need a lot more power for each horsepower in practice, and most small cars can make a maximum of at least 150 HP today. Wimpy electric cars might make do with just 20 HP maximum, or 10 HP for cruising at 55 MPH, still needing 15,000 watts to make just that!

When you ignore all the free subsidies handed out like cocaine to get people hooked, electric cars need to burn about four times as much to fuel at a power plant compared to burning it in your car. 75% of the heat energy of combustion is wasted converting heat to spinning motion in a power plant, converting that motion to electricity, transmission to your home, storage in a battery, and conversion back to motion in your car, all with more heat losses over simply burning the same fuel in your car to make that motion directly. Yes, power plants burn much lower grades of oil and/or clean, safe nuclear power, but we still would need about four times as much energy at a power plant to get the same "go" in our car as just burning the fuel in our own cars in the first place — and those 360 kV powerline towers are going to have to go in someone's backyard.

Electric cars are just another way to get some people richer, using everyone else's money.
 
That's one of the more bizarre rants. Like the guy who wrote the Orange Country Register article, these guys aren't going to be informed of anything; they know it all already.

I wouldn't waste 3 seconds trying to straighten him out, mostly because it's doubtful that he would even read it (advertising over 3000 emails "on a slow day").

Tony
 
I am loving how terrified this guy is. It's almost as if he is in a full blown panic. BTW, this is exactly how desperate we want critics to be.
 
I love the "government control" aspect of the rant:

"Repressive governments love electric cars, because as soon as power is cut during an uprising, no one can recharge their cars until the civil unrest subsides and government chooses restores power."

It's all a part of the big conspiracy. Now if only the government would fess up about the fake moon landing, stop saying HIV causes AIDS, that a trace gas is heating the planet, and insisting that the world is round. :lol:
 
I think a simple email like:

Ken, leave the lecturing on electric cars to someone who actually knows something about them, and stick to photography, since you appear to know something about that. Otherwise, the reader will just assume you know dick about anything, and ignore your photography advice too.
 
Well, I took the bait and sent him an e-mail:

Mr. Rockwell,

As one who appreciates your work, I was dismayed to read this piece, primarily because it is flat out wrong about electric vehicles using huge amounts of energy. I am not sure where you are getting your information. For the past four months, I've been driving a Nissan LEAF electric vehicle almost 1000 miles per month. Prior to getting the car, our electric bills (on a standard residential flat rate plan) were roughly $40 per month. Recently, we hit a high water mark, $64 for a monthly electric bill, still on the standard residential rate plan. Even with the EV, our usage remains below average for a California family. Plus, we do most of our charging during off-peak hours when there is plenty of unused generating capacity.

Andrew Basile
Arrowbear Lake, California
Southern California Edison customer
 
That blurb is so rediculous that it isn't worth a response. People who write things like that enjoy the audience they attract. Better to ignore him than to give him the pleasure of knowing he's attracted the attention of EV proponents. Don't give him sparring partners, he'll enjoy the fight.

DarkStar said:
Yesterday, Ken Rockwell posted a message on his very popular photography blog regarding electric cars being a "crock." His post reveals how misinformed he is, however I do sense a lot of anger in his words.

I ask that you contact Ken Rockwell via email (see his contact page) and politely let him know that you believe he is misinformed, citing examples from his blog post.
 
mwalsh said:
Ken, leave the lecturing on electric cars to someone who actually knows something about them, and stick to photography, since you appear to know something about that.
Actually, if you Google him, you'll find that a lot of photographers think he's a crock, too.
 
Paying attention to the general themes in Rockwell's opinion, it appears he is a right wing nut, perhaps even a Tea Party loon. He touches on "big government", "socialism" and "using other people's money", all common subject matter for those looking to "defend" the Constitution against whatever they perceive as a threat. Things like Social Security, Medicare and healthcare reform.

I wouldn't bother wasting the electrons with a response.
 
Tesla folks all over this too:

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/4884-More-anti-ev-gibberish?p=80381&viewfull=1#post80381" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Yodrak said:
That blurb is so rediculous that it isn't worth a response. People who write things like that enjoy the audience they attract. Better to ignore him than to give him the pleasure of knowing he's attracted the attention of EV proponents. Don't give him sparring partners, he'll enjoy the fight.
Unfortunately, if misinformation isn't refuted it is assumed to be truth. You don't need to contact Ken Rockwell directly if you don't wish to, but this article is definitely a problem that needed to be addressed.
 
Whether it's a problem or not depends on what his readership is. If he's just pissing in the wind, let him, don't create a readership for him. If he has an influencial readership then maybe you're right.

Let me know when Fox starts quoting him and I'll change my advice!

DarkStar said:
Unfortunately, if misinformation isn't refuted it is assumed to be truth. You don't need to contact Ken Rockwell directly if you don't wish to, but this article is definitely a problem that needed to be addressed.
 
What a pile of misinformed tripe! I know of Rockwell from my photo hobby and I've never been very impressed with him. His opinions on photo topics are pretty well founded, if biased toward certain brands, though most of us are somewhat biased. But I never disrespected him before. Well, that's changed!

I'm motivated to send him a point by point rebuttal, but I'm not sure I want to take the time to do it. If the comments show up on his web site, though, answering his erroneous comments might do some good if only to let some of his photo fans know that he's completely off base as far as EVs go.
 
This reinforces my assumption that popular blogs are the tabloids of our time. Many authors write to create a stir, not to inform.
 
rawhog said:
My response.

Regarding your article on electric cars:

You sir have been woefully misguided in your assessment of EV’s. The numbers you quote have very little bearing on reality. But, since major news networks who have the staff to research issues before going into print seldom get the facts straight, I suppose there is no reason to think that you would.
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+1, I wrote a similar email, stating his EV FUD article was an embarrassment :oops:
 
gasmiser1 said:
rawhog said:
My response.
. But, since major news networks who have the staff to research issues before going into print seldom get the facts straight, I suppose there is no reason to think that you would.

This bit about "major news networks who have the staff to research issues before going into print seldom get the facts straight" is a little goofy too. Makes me wonder where this guy gets his facts from.
 
Some people's brain are beyond repair, sad but true. Trying to make him "get it", no matter how good you are at explaining facts, one little step at the time, is a waste because I assure you one thing : he won't. Some people are just like that... they don't get it and never will, ever.
 
Here's a link to a forum on a digital camera site regarding Rockwell. Basically all personal opinions, and they are on both sides:

The last post on the page is well remembered by all.

http://www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=334007" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Boomer23 said:
Here's a link to a forum on a digital camera site regarding Rockwell. Basically all personal opinions, and they are on both sides:

The last post on the page is well remembered by all.

http://www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=334007" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

LOL! :lol:

BTW, worst digital camera I ever had was a Nikon. Canon all the way baby!
 
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