Flashman
Posts: 68
Joined: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:26 am
Delivery Date: 30 Sep 2013
Location: Central Florida

? Telemetry detail the leaf sends to Nissan ?

Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:42 pm

I searched but could not find it anywhere.
Does anyone on the forum know of exactly what detail data the Leaf sends to Nissan as telemetry?
is it intercept-able? or even digestible to watch what the car sends on a real-time daily basis? (or whenever it updates Nissan)
If I turn off Traction control... does the Leaf log this info and send it to Nissan? track wheel spin? Hard braking? Does it log when I use the AC? etc. etc.

I remember someone telling me a story about how Nissan proved Top Gear (the UK Show) deliberately ran down the traction battery to discredit the car by driving in circles or some sort of thing off camera. Nissan did this apparently by reviewing the telemetry.

I am just curious what level of detail the Leaf produces (maybe even the data is configurable for the level of detail?) or 'Gasp' a spec?
anyone know? Thanks!
Tinted 2013 Silver SV 6kwChg, Hella Horns, All-SuperBrightLED's, Switchable VSP Relay Cutout, LeafDD
Self installed BOSCH Power Max Level 2 Charging Station.

User avatar
jlv
Posts: 570
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:08 pm
Delivery Date: 30 Apr 2014
Leaf Number: 424487
Location: Massachusetts

Re: ? Telemetry detail the leaf sends to Nissan ?

Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:03 pm

Flashman wrote:I remember someone telling me a story about how Nissan proved Top Gear (the UK Show) deliberately ran down the traction battery to discredit the car by driving in circles or some sort of thing off camera. Nissan did this apparently by reviewing the telemetry.
That was Tesla. See http://www.teslamotors.com/teslavstopgear.
'13 SL+Prem (mfg 12/13, leased 4/14, bought 5/17)Tesla S 75D (3/17)
Model 3 reservation
(Probably no LEAF2 for me)

Flashman
Posts: 68
Joined: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:26 am
Delivery Date: 30 Sep 2013
Location: Central Florida

Re: ? Telemetry detail the leaf sends to Nissan ?

Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:42 pm

The one I was referring to was in fact Nissan :mrgreen: :
"Nissan hits back at Top Gear"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/top-gear/8676473/Nissan-hits-back-at-Top-Gear.html

But interesting Tesla had the same issue...
Clarkson is a sad excuse for a car enthusiast!

Got to be a way to figure out what the car sends in total... where the files are stored before sending etc. ?
Tinted 2013 Silver SV 6kwChg, Hella Horns, All-SuperBrightLED's, Switchable VSP Relay Cutout, LeafDD
Self installed BOSCH Power Max Level 2 Charging Station.

User avatar
TomT
Posts: 10570
Joined: Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:09 pm
Delivery Date: 01 Mar 2011
Leaf Number: 000360
Location: Foothills of Granada Hills, CA
Contact: Website

Re: ? Telemetry detail the leaf sends to Nissan ?

Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:40 pm

Actually, I love him and all three of them! But anyone who takes it seriously rather than in the humorous vein in which the show is presented is totally missing the point... And Andy Palmer lost credibility when he said that "the car had been delivered to the BBC fully charged with enough power for at least 100 miles." At least 100 miles, huh? Not bloody likely!

Flashman wrote:Clarkson is a sad excuse for a car enthusiast!
59,991 miles/12 bars/289 Gids/68.54 AHr/101% SOH/101.64% Hx 7May15 w/ new Lizard (barely made the warranty).
71,770 miles/12 bars/256 Gids/59.04 AHr/88% SOH/87.92% Hx 3Mar16 at lease return.

Now driving a 2016 Volt Premier. Model 3 configured.

User avatar
jlv
Posts: 570
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:08 pm
Delivery Date: 30 Apr 2014
Leaf Number: 424487
Location: Massachusetts

Re: ? Telemetry detail the leaf sends to Nissan ?

Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:02 am

Flashman wrote:The one I was referring to was in fact Nissan
Wow, I hadn't heard that.
'13 SL+Prem (mfg 12/13, leased 4/14, bought 5/17)Tesla S 75D (3/17)
Model 3 reservation
(Probably no LEAF2 for me)

Flashman
Posts: 68
Joined: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:26 am
Delivery Date: 30 Sep 2013
Location: Central Florida

Re: ? Telemetry detail the leaf sends to Nissan ?

Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:01 pm

rather than in the humorous vein

I actually like the show as well and like the other 99% of what they do...
Most of it's pure entertainment but at times the show changes it's narrative to be taken seriously or as 'Car experts' and giving advice.
And that's fine.
However, I draw the line when they intentionally misrepresent something (sans Humor) for seemingly political \ corporate \ personal preference or even prejudice.
Clarkson of course has the right to run his show as he sees fit but his antics & Lies with Tesla, Nissan and others that he routinely unfairly attacks have tarnished my respect for the man.
Or it's just the things that come out of his mouth that should have you rethinking of how you see this guy... ?
The most recent comes after claims he used the N-word while reciting 'Eeny Meeny Miny Moe' - video of the incident is published here:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/recap-jeremy-clarkson-n-word-shame-3481569

That's not the first time either... old hat for this guy.
Anyhow... Most of the UK folks I know think of Clarksons Bafoonery as any Canadian also sees their own jester; Justin Bieber.
(Although Piers Morgan still holds the top spot) heh. :D

I still watch the show but Clarkson is IMHO, not someone to be trusted as truthful or proud of.

So, any one got any ideas on the telemetry thing yet? : :mrgreen:
Tinted 2013 Silver SV 6kwChg, Hella Horns, All-SuperBrightLED's, Switchable VSP Relay Cutout, LeafDD
Self installed BOSCH Power Max Level 2 Charging Station.

foolios
Posts: 95
Joined: Thu May 01, 2014 3:43 pm
Delivery Date: 06 Mar 2014

Re: ? Telemetry detail the leaf sends to Nissan ?

Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:25 am

That's a good question. So if you accelerate too quickly in the dealer's opinion based on what the Telemetry data provides, is that going to cause future issues/concerns with a lease?
"You're driving it too hard, we're going to charge ya extra for that..."
1.4 kW Off-Grid Solar PV (14×100Watt@12V(24V config)
1000A@24v Battery Bank
EVSE level 2 - Clipper Creek
2013 S model without QC package

Flashman
Posts: 68
Joined: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:26 am
Delivery Date: 30 Sep 2013
Location: Central Florida

Re: ? Telemetry detail the leaf sends to Nissan ?

Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:42 am

So if you accelerate too quickly in the dealer's opinion based on what the Telemetry data provides, is that going to cause future issues/concerns with a lease?

Very possibly... I think it could very well be similar to the insurance dongles people are allowing in their OBDII ports.

I am interested in what get's sent and if it can be captured...
likewise are there any undocumented reverse commands Nissan can send to the car or is it a one way conversation only where the Leaf reports to Nissan but cannot change any settings or similar remotely.

Maybe the CAN bus experts see this (or any) data flow via the Cell transmitter in the car somewhere?

Having the list of exactly what Nissan gets or sends from the car may or may not affect anyone's decision on weather to accept data transmissions big 'OK' button in the first place.

Anyone?
Tinted 2013 Silver SV 6kwChg, Hella Horns, All-SuperBrightLED's, Switchable VSP Relay Cutout, LeafDD
Self installed BOSCH Power Max Level 2 Charging Station.

Return to “Engineering”