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Re: LEAF -vs- Versa

Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:04 am

I have read both cars use the same rear suspension setup.

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Re: LEAF -vs- Versa

Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:13 am

It honestly makes absolutely no difference to me whatsoever one way or the other, but to portray the Leaf as having not one thing in common with the Versa is simply putting one's head in the sand in my opinion.

I think it is just as silly as eliminating an EV from consideration simply because it is based on a manufacturers ICE vehicle. If it does the job well, who cares what its DNA is.

tzzhc4 wrote:A lot of critics portray the Leaf is just an electric Versa and a lot of Leaf owners are very touchy when it comes to this subject.
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Re: LEAF -vs- Versa

Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:40 am

Herm wrote:I have read both cars use the same rear suspension setup.


Yes, it does. Look at where the key would go on the Versa... on the LEAF, they just plug the hole there.

It would be interesting to me to have a logical discussion about what parts are common, like suspension parts, to know what can work on our cars. Also, I'm always curious why auto companies change some things, but not others, on their similar models.

I presume that the windshields are interchangeable, but it appears that either the rear window is different, or just at a different angle. I would guess that the little opera windows and front door windows interchange.

Why it matters to some whether the car is 100% unique is just static in the factual data.

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Re: LEAF -vs- Versa

Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:13 am

TonyWilliams wrote:It would be interesting to me to have a logical discussion about what parts are common, like suspension parts, to know what can work on our cars.

Since the cost of your parts depends on volume, Nissan will share parts wherever it can on all models, and the more parts shared with higher volume cars the better. The rule of thumb would be if the part can be shared then it is.

While sharing parts is a good not a bad thing, the problem is that EVs require entirely different systems, and different systems require specialized and therefore expensive parts. This is why Ghosn has said that in order to be competitive without government rebates you need to be producing 500,000 - 1,000,000 copies of an EV a year.

With respect to styling, the Leaf has what I'd call generic Japanese styling. Looks a lot like a Mazda 3 to me. Obviously the new Versa hatch will look very similar as well. But I think people will buy a Leaf because it's an EV and it's cheap, not because it looks great.

Having said that, the fit of the Versa in the pictures is particularly bad. The fit and finish of my Leaf is far better than that. So $15K does get you something. :)

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Re: LEAF -vs- Versa

Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:37 am

SanDust wrote:With respect to styling, the Leaf has what I'd call generic Japanese styling. Looks a lot like a Mazda 3 to me. Obviously the new Versa hatch will look very similar as well. But I think people will buy a Leaf because it's an EV and it's cheap, not because it looks great.

The styling is more European than Japanese.

BTW, I've met a lot of people who liked the styling of Leaf a lot (to my surprise) - some have commented purely on the styling before they realized the car was electric. I've got almost universal thumbs-up on Blue color in particular.
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Re: LEAF -vs- Versa

Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:15 pm

mogur wrote:It honestly makes absolutely no difference to me whatsoever one way or the other, but to portray the Leaf as having not one thing in common with the Versa is simply putting one's head in the sand in my opinion.

I think it is just as silly as eliminating an EV from consideration simply because it is based on a manufacturers ICE vehicle. If it does the job well, who cares what its DNA is.


I couldn't agree more. I also agree it would be nice to know which parts are in common. Would come in handy down the road for sourcing parts when repairs are needed. I imagine a body panel or door would be cheaper if I can get it off a Versa in a junkyard.
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Re: LEAF -vs- Versa

Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:47 pm

There's an MNL topic where someone has detailed exactly what the Leaf suspension components are with the intent to be able to buy performance suspension upgrades.
None of the suspension matches the Versa. It mostly matches larger Nissan vehicles, probably because of the battery weight.
I think the put down attitude about the Versa is silly. :roll:
In buying a vehicle under the Cash for Clunkers I seriously considered the Versa and the Altima.
Both are mid-size vehicles. The Versa is on the small end of mid-size. The Altima is on the large end of mid-size.
I ultimately bought an Altima because I prefer the larger vehicle.
But I love the Leaf, even though it is a polished up fancy electric version of the Versa.
Why does the fact of that bother some people? :roll:
How else do you think you would build the Leading Environmental Affordable Family car if you didn't start with a Versa? :?
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Re: LEAF -vs- Versa

Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:21 pm

TimLee wrote:But till then, I'm proud to be driving the world's most efficient affordable vehicle. Even if it was based on the Versa.


Hear Hear !!

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Re: LEAF -vs- Versa

Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:26 pm

SanDust wrote:
TonyWilliams wrote:It would be interesting to me to have a logical discussion about what parts are common, like suspension parts, to know what can work on our cars.

Since the cost of your parts depends on volume, Nissan will share parts wherever it can on all models, and the more parts shared with higher volume cars the better. The rule of thumb would be if the part can be shared then it is.

In today's (Saturday 8/13) Wall St. Journal, Dan Neil ("Rumble Seat" columnist, former Pulitzer-winning car critic from LA Times) writes about the Nissan Quest, and makes a point of this (specifically that the Quest and the GT-R have the identical key fob, as do other manufacturer's among their various models).

I have used the Versa strictly from a visual perspective; it's as close a 'production car' as I've seen to the Leaf's overall size/style. It never crossed my mind about the two models sharing parts. My sole concern is that one motivation for car theft is to re-sell parts; the more unique parts the Leaf has, the less motivation for anyone to steal my car :) . Of course, as has been pointed out here, the more unique parts on the Leaf, the more the Leaf will cost, and the less likely my local Nissan dealer has the part in stock if/when I need it.
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Re: LEAF -vs- Versa

Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:41 am

The $11k Versa Sedan 1.6S is not exactly the same car as the Leaf, which comes standard with features like power window, navigation, hands-free, alloy wheel, hatch, shorter wheelbase, auto tranny, and many others. The closest Versa would be the Versa 1.8SL, which cost about $20k after adding comparable feature..

Even after all the upgrades, the Versa will still have a smaller wheel base compare to the Leaf, which means a slightly more cramped seating and somewhat worse crash rating . IIHS scored the 2011 Versa an "acceptable" rating on side impact with rating of "marginal" on driver injury, while the 2011 Leaf received the highest rating of "Good" on all measures.

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