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Is the "plug-in" era nearly over?

Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:01 am

With the two manufactures who will (IMO) probably be leading in sales of PHEVs and BEVs respectively both introducing inductive charging in the next few years, will other BEV/PHEV manufactures hold out for cables and plugs?

Technical and efficiency arguments aside, I think most buyers will consider this a very desirable feature, and I find it hard to believe that Tesla or Cadillac will be selling vehicles requiring plugs in ~2016, if Nissan and Toyota will be selling vehicles that "plug themselves in", at a small fraction of the cost of the big-bucks "Luxury" BEV/PHEVs.

...What’s in store for future PiPs? Ogiso had this to say:

“We have been listening very carefully to Prius PHV owners and are considering their requests for additional all-electric range. We have also heard from owners that they would like a more convenient charging operation. In response, we are developing a new wireless/inductive charging system that produces resonance between an on-floor coil and an onboard coil to transmit power to the battery, providing charging without the fuss of a cable.”

Ogiso adds that verification testing will be conducted on wireless charging in Japan, the US and Europe in 2014...

http://insideevs.com/next-gen-toyota-pr ... apability/


...Nissan Motors told reporters at a product preview of future models that the company now has plans for five plug-in vehicles in its future – and that Nissan is preparing inductive charging for all of them...

http://insideevs.com/nissan-confirms-ad ... g-for-all/

BTW, I was visiting a friend in the Bay Area who drives a PIP last week.

He has a short commute, and plugs in at home and at work to get most of his commute miles on E.

It occurs to me that he probably plugs/unplugs his PIP ~ 70 or 80 times a month, while I only do it ~ 20 or 25 times, on average, to drive ~ twice as many miles on E.

So, maybe inductive charging will be even more desirable for the short-E-range PHEV drivers, than for BEV drivers.
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Re: Is the "plug-in" era nearly over?

Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:08 am

Let the inductive-charging-standards wars begin! :cry:
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Re: Is the "plug-in" era nearly over?

Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:26 am

RegGuheert wrote:Let the inductive-charging-standards wars begin! :cry:


My best guess is that there will emerge a public DC high-kW fast-charge standard, that requires a plug and cable (making the SAE combo plug irrelevant) and (unfortunately) multiple proprietary low-kW inductive standards for home charging.

Most of the current public L2 would soon die out anyway, due to it's inherent cost/convenience disadvantages compared with DC, but inductive charging will certainly hasten public L2 plug-in's demise.
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Re: Is the "plug-in" era nearly over?

Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:31 am

Plug-ins will be around a loooooonnng time. At least as long a gasoline vehicles.
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Re: Is the "plug-in" era nearly over?

Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:14 am

I have a personal stake. My wife cannot be around strong EMF.
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Re: Is the "plug-in" era nearly over?

Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:43 pm

Will be cool when we can charge while driving and or be pushed by magnets on the freeways like a maglev train.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maglev

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Re: Is the "plug-in" era nearly over?

Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:49 pm

That cable is such a "fuss". I'm glad to see someone is facing up to this threat to the human condition, like the brave souls who came up with the seedless watermelon.
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Re: Is the "plug-in" era nearly over?

Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:53 pm

Nubo wrote:I have a personal stake. My wife cannot be around strong EMF.
I wonder what the definition is of strong EMF is? My understanding is that these systems do not emit strong EMF.

http://www.theengineer.co.uk/automotive ... 24.article

quote:
How vulnerable are people with pacemakers or other electronic implants that would be affected by electromagnetic fields and how do you protect them?

That’s another area in which we do a lot of simulation and testing. We’ve also done a lot of work in understanding from the manufacturers of medical devices what sort of limits they build to and shield for. There’s not a set of rules that says wireless charging must meet certain regulations for pacemakers. So one of our roles is to help the regulators understand and develop those guidelines. At the moment what we’ve done is talk to manufacturers – I think there’s over 1000 different models on the planet – to understand what they build to and we shield for that.

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Re: Is the "plug-in" era nearly over?

Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:39 pm

Even though inductive charging has been around for some time, most handheld electronics don't take advantage of it, at least not from the factory. Even the Apple iPhone does not come with inductive charging out of the box; you have to buy a third party case that gives it that feature.

For years I had a Panasonic wet-dry shaver that charged inductively. When the battery stopped holding a charge after several years' of use, the only replacement I could find from Panasonic was one that used a plug.

I looked around my home and looked for things that could benefit from the convenience of an inductive charger. I already mentioned my cell phone and shaver don't have it. My cordless landline phone? Nope, there are little contacts at the bottom of the handset. My tablet computers? Nope, they still have to be plugged in through some sort of port. My remote controls? Nope, they still use replaceable internal batteries.The only thing I still have that uses inductive charging is my Crest rechargeable toothbrush.

So if most manufacturers don't feel it's worthwhile for relatively low-power electronics, they probably think it's a bigger hassle for something as power-hungry as an electric car.
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Re: Is the "plug-in" era nearly over?

Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:26 pm

Efficiency, cost, and installation will drive this. Charge a Tesla and pay for 7kw per charge to loss, no thanks. Not to mention the cost of the sheer waste to the grid that would add up. People use LED lights to save power, good luck making that up with bulb changes. No way would I use it for an EV.

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