sandeen
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Leaf Number: 026685
Location: Minnesota

Re: How long 'til 4th bar drops?

Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:15 pm

Reddy wrote:you're battling against ambient cold inertia.

Yep. I wonder, does anyone have daily leafspy stats for a cold winter? Curious to know what to expect. I've seen daily graphs for happy CA cars but nothing from the frozen North.
2012 SL from TX, (mfg 8/12), used, dropped to 8 bars at 43.50 Ahr, 40,601 miles. my daily stats =/= my collected data on 4-bar losers

Reddy
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Leaf Number: 006828
Location: Pasco, WA

Re: How long 'til 4th bar drops?

Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:59 pm

sandeen wrote:
Reddy wrote:you're battling against ambient cold inertia.

Yep. I wonder, does anyone have daily leafspy stats for a cold winter? Curious to know what to expect. I've seen daily graphs for happy CA cars but nothing from the frozen North.

Well, not from the frozen North, but still, my Ahr values basically stay the same from Nov 1 to Mar 1. I monitored them in 2015 & 2016 but since they were flat, I didn't bother with 2017. Even though I only have two data points for 2017, the downward slope hasn't changed much. My overall graph since 7/14 has a slope of -0.0072 Ahr/day (I think) with R2=0.969. I'll take another data point Nov 1st, but don't expect to lose my 4th bar until Spring 2019, maybe Fall 2018.
Reddy
2011 SL; 9 bar, 46.44 AHr; 40,067 mi; rcv'd Aug 18, 2011
Long: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... al#p226115"
Cold: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 60#p243033"

sandeen
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Re: How long 'til 4th bar drops?

Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:58 pm

It finally happened!

Apologies for all the drama along the way. :oops: We had 3 unseasonably hot days here in MN, around 90F or above. I had my hopes, but that Ahr value just wouldn't move down - in fact it moved up a little during these hot days. Extreme frustration. But then tonight, on the way back home, I saw 8 bars. I don't think it had dropped much before I noticed, but at any rate my values were just not moving much over the past few days so these should be about right:

2012 SL, built 8/12
43.50 Ahr
45.25 Hx
40,618 Miles
28 QC / 2715 L1/L2

That's the third-highest Ahr I've seen, behind JPVLeaf (43.56) gbshaun (43.51) so I consider myself pretty fortunate. Warranty was up Jan 30 2018 with the cold winter looming.

Battery temp when it dropped was around 95F, and 89F ambient at the time. (Values edged up slightly by the time I took this pic).

Image
2012 SL from TX, (mfg 8/12), used, dropped to 8 bars at 43.50 Ahr, 40,601 miles. my daily stats =/= my collected data on 4-bar losers

Reddy
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Re: How long 'til 4th bar drops?

Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:49 pm

Congratulations! You're one person who is happy (currently) with global warming.
Reddy
2011 SL; 9 bar, 46.44 AHr; 40,067 mi; rcv'd Aug 18, 2011
Long: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... al#p226115"
Cold: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 60#p243033"

sandeen
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Re: How long 'til 4th bar drops?

Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:52 pm

Reddy wrote:Congratulations! You're one person who is happy (currently) with global warming.

Hah, no, not really. But I guess this did help a little. Will be glad to stop driving the LEAF in circles, though, which did feel a bit dirty even if it was solar/wind powered.
Now to find a competent dealer/shop/tech in MN. "Have you done a LEAF battery replacement?" "Do you mean the hybrid battery?" "Oh dear..."
2012 SL from TX, (mfg 8/12), used, dropped to 8 bars at 43.50 Ahr, 40,601 miles. my daily stats =/= my collected data on 4-bar losers

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RegGuheert
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Re: How long 'til 4th bar drops?

Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:57 pm

sandeen wrote:It finally happened!
Congratulations!
RegGuheert
2011 Leaf SL Demo vehicle
2011 miles at purchase. 10K miles on Apr 14, 2013. 20K miles (55.7Ah) on Aug 7, 2014, 30K miles (52.0Ah) on Dec 30, 2015, 40K miles (49.8Ah) on Feb 8, 2017.
Enphase Inverter Measured MTBF: M190, M215, M250, S280

mehagel65
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Delivery Date: 21 Mar 2013
Leaf Number: 408268

Re: How long 'til 4th bar drops?

Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:04 am

mehagel65 wrote:
sandeen wrote:
mehagel65 wrote:I'm assuming, based on what I have read, that I'm just weeks from dropping the 4th bar?

AHr 41.90 SOH 64% ODO 36391 HX 57.40
2013 SL


There's a lot less data so far on 2013s, and at least the Hx numbers differ substantially from 2011/2012. But from the 8 reports I've been able to find, the average Ahr at drop for 2013s was about 41.5, and average Hx was 56.4. The highest Ahr at drop was 43.3, and the lowest was 40.05
(The average Ahr at drop for 2011/2012 is about 42.5)



Just dropped my 4th bar. Could not be happier about it. Here are my Leaf Pro Readings.
AHr=41.25, SOH=63, Hx=56.34
2013 SL with 36,680 miles

https://photos.app.goo.gl/nTkLYPxG6tWmKA3u1
https://photos.app.goo.gl/4ZrOIwQz2E6E8uGy2




The Leaf is currently at the dealer getting the new battery pack installed. Here is a photo of the pack before it was installed in the car.
Image
https://photos.app.goo.gl/SnsSUFA4PoRAMYK03

mehagel65
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Re: How long 'til 4th bar drops?

Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:02 am

mehagel65 wrote:
mehagel65 wrote:
sandeen wrote:
There's a lot less data so far on 2013s, and at least the Hx numbers differ substantially from 2011/2012. But from the 8 reports I've been able to find, the average Ahr at drop for 2013s was about 41.5, and average Hx was 56.4. The highest Ahr at drop was 43.3, and the lowest was 40.05
(The average Ahr at drop for 2011/2012 is about 42.5)



Just dropped my 4th bar. Could not be happier about it. Here are my Leaf Pro Readings.
AHr=41.25, SOH=63, Hx=56.34
2013 SL with 36,680 miles

https://photos.app.goo.gl/nTkLYPxG6tWmKA3u1
https://photos.app.goo.gl/4ZrOIwQz2E6E8uGy2




The Leaf is currently at the dealer getting the new battery pack installed. Here is a photo of the pack before it was installed in the car.
Image
https://photos.app.goo.gl/SnsSUFA4PoRAMYK03



New Battery Pack is in and currently get approx 101 miles on a full charge. Compared with only 59 miles on a charge with the old battery pack. Attached are my Leaf Spy pro reading with the new battery pack vs the old battery pack.
LSP New Packhttps://photos.app.goo.gl/33w2UbOvAgKyeyL82
LSP Old Packhttps://photos.app.goo.gl/ssDMuIUr6rhqpmUY2
Dash with New Packhttps://photos.app.goo.gl/vtRibPZ3bbiWaGrY2
Dash with Old Packhttps://photos.app.goo.gl/MrtveJ8fXAJGPCtm1

baustin
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Leaf Number: 402162
Location: North Las Vegas, NV

Re: How long 'til 4th bar drops?

Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:29 pm

sandeen wrote:
baustin wrote:I went out and checked my Leaf again today. I think the 4th bar should have dropped by now, but it is still holding on.

The vehicle was manufactured in January 2013, spent it first two years in Georgia, was auctioned after lease return and brought to Las Vegas. I got it in March 2015. It dropped the first bar in October 2015, the second bar in June 2016, and the third bar in November 2016.

Aug 12, 2017 - AHr=39.25, SOH=60%, Hx=53.34%, odo=25,451 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2119


That's what worries me for mine - we have lots of data about when people did lose the 9th bar, but not a lot of data for those with 9 bars still holding on. I wonder how many low Ahr batteries still have 9 bars ...

I've been able to find about 8 reports of 2013s dropping the 9th bar; the average was 41.55 Ahr and the min was 40.05Ahr. I bet yours goes soon, though...


My fourth bar finally dropped.
Oct 12, 2017 - AHr=36.81, SOH=56%, Hx=49.75%, odo=25,670 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2242

Replacement traction battery arrived on October 19th and installed this morning. I took this reading just before I left the dealership.
Oct 20, 2017 - AHr=65.40, SOH=100%, Hx=100.00%, odo=25,771 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2262
2013 Leaf SV - Cayenne Red - QC Port - LED Headlights

boonjum33
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Re: How long 'til 4th bar drops?

Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:44 pm

Hi all, I am new here and would appreciate input from this experienced crowd. I am considering purchasing a 2013 SL w/ Bose currently at 32,300 miles and 9 bars. I don't know the exact month the warranty expires. The owner, who works for a Nissan dealer, said a little less than a year (I can get more detail). I live in Phoenix, though it's now "winter" (i.e. in the 80's and 70's vs. the 100's). Is it worth the risk to spend about $9k and hope it drops to 8 bars?

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