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Re: 2013 Leaf bar loss.

Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:59 pm

Let me get this straight. If the battery goes 8 bars during the warranty period Nissan can slip a 9 bar "rebuilt" battery in the car.

Does that mean that the $6,000 battery is "refurbished" too or is it new (12 bars)?
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Re: 2013 Leaf bar loss.

Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:13 am

IssacZachary wrote:Let me get this straight. If the battery goes 8 bars during the warranty period Nissan can slip a 9 bar "rebuilt" battery in the car.

Yes, however the '11 and '12 guys due to the amended Klee settlement end up receiving a new battery: viewtopic.php?t=18905.

For those outside beyond model year '12, IIRC, Nissan does NOT have to provide a new battery as a free warranty replacement. IIRC, Andy Palmer did state that spirit of it was that they only intend to replace the battery once so they wouldn't just put in a 9 bar battery, since it could fall below 9 bars again before capacity warranty expiration.

From the '13 warranty booklet PDF I have w/minor edits for hyphenation:
LITHIUM-ION BATTERY CAPACITY COVERAGE
In addition to the Lithium-Ion Battery Coverage for defects in materials or workmanship, the Lithium- Ion battery is also warranted against capacity loss below nine bars of capacity as shown on the vehicle’s battery capacity level gauge for a period of 60 months or 60,000 miles, whichever comes first.
This warranty covers any repairs needed to return battery capacity to a level of nine remaining bars on the vehicle’s battery capacity level gauge. If possible, the Lithium-Ion battery components will be repaired or replaced, and the original Lithium- Ion battery will be returned to the vehicle. If necessary, the Lithium-Ion battery will be replaced with either a new or remanufactured Lithium-Ion battery. Any repair or replacement made under this Lithium-Ion Battery Capacity Coverage may not return your Lithium-Ion battery to an “as new” condition with all 12 battery capacity bars, but it will provide the vehicle with a capacity level of nine bars or more on the battery capacity level gauge.

So far, it seems like everyone (most everyone?) has been receiving new batteries. That could change for '13+ Leafs.
IssacZachary wrote:Does that mean that the $6,000 battery is "refurbished" too or is it new (12 bars)?

I believe the $5,499 battery is new: viewtopic.php?t=17168

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Re: 2013 Leaf bar loss.

Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:08 am

I have a 2013 (build date 4/2013) and have 46K miles. I think at some future date the 30KW pack will be made avail. We know the pack fits, it is a matter of a simple software upgrade. Tesla has already set precedent in this matter by producing an upgraded pack for a car that it stopped producing a few years earlier, the Tesla Roadster. Just give it a little time to make business sense for NIssan. Packs will have to get cheaper tho. I have a hard time believing that people are going to want to spend $6k for a battery for a car worth half that very soon.

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Re: 2013 Leaf bar loss.

Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:19 am

IssacZachary wrote:Let me get this straight. If the battery goes 8 bars during the warranty period Nissan can slip a 9 bar "rebuilt" battery in the car.

Does that mean that the $6,000 battery is "refurbished" too or is it new (12 bars)?


The battery you pay for out of pocket is brand spanking new with 12 bars and it should come with new warranty (not 100% on that), the ones warranty replacements can be as low as 9 bar and the warranty on these is the left-over from the original factory warranty. However so far Nissan used new packs for warranty replacements, but it doesn't mean they will continue to do so in the future.
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Re: 2013 Leaf bar loss.

Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:59 am

IssacZachary wrote:Let me get this straight. If the battery goes 8 bars during the warranty period Nissan can slip a 9 bar "rebuilt" battery in the car.

Does that mean that the $6,000 battery is "refurbished" too or is it new (12 bars)?


why has it become the norm to assume the worst?
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Re: 2013 Leaf bar loss.

Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:02 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
IssacZachary wrote:Let me get this straight. If the battery goes 8 bars during the warranty period Nissan can slip a 9 bar "rebuilt" battery in the car.

Does that mean that the $6,000 battery is "refurbished" too or is it new (12 bars)?


why has it become the norm to assume the worst?


It was just a question. It's important to know the facts so as to make good decisions. I wouldn't want to pay $6,000 for a 9 bar battery, would you? They're are plenty of people that assume the best too; people who think that in a couple years you'll be able to get a direct fit 48kWh battery that weighs the same as the current 24kWh battery from your local parts store for only $1,000 or who think that in a couple years there'll be a CHAdeMO station at every gasoline station.

Let's hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
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Re: 2013 Leaf bar loss.

Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:09 am

IssacZachary wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
IssacZachary wrote:Let me get this straight. If the battery goes 8 bars during the warranty period Nissan can slip a 9 bar "rebuilt" battery in the car.

Does that mean that the $6,000 battery is "refurbished" too or is it new (12 bars)?


why has it become the norm to assume the worst?


It was just a question. It's important to know the facts so as to make good decisions. I wouldn't want to pay $6,000 for a 9 bar battery, would you? They're are plenty of people that assume the best too; people who think that in a couple years you'll be able to get a direct fit 48kWh battery that weighs the same as the current 24kWh battery from your local parts store for only $1,000 or who think that in a couple years there'll be a CHAdeMO station at every gasoline station.

Let's hope for the best and prepare for the worst.


"fact?"

you have got to be kidding me! what facts were involved in your statement? how many battery replacements have happened that did not include a brand new battery?
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Re: 2013 Leaf bar loss.

Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:19 am

I was asking a question. Questions are for finding facts. Someone earlier said that Nissan can put a 9 bar battery in a car for a warranty replacement. I never said they have not did he. I was asking a question.

If Nissan can and potentially will make refurbished batteries that will have less than new capacity if you or I buy a $6,000 battery from them is it going to be new or refurbished?

That's all I want to know. I'm not making any sort of statement. I'm not a propagandist. I'm an inquierer.
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Re: 2013 Leaf bar loss.

Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:35 am

IssacZachary wrote:I was asking a question. Questions are for finding facts. Someone earlier said that Nissan can put a 9 bar battery in a car for a warranty replacement. I never said they have not did he. I was asking a question.

If Nissan can and potentially will make refurbished batteries that will have less than new capacity if you or I buy a $6,000 battery from them is it going to be new or refurbished?

That's all I want to know. I'm not making any sort of statement. I'm not a propagandist. I'm an inquierer.


gotcha... and all questions are supposed to be good, right?

but in all things, there is a limit to goodness.
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Re: 2013 Leaf bar loss.

Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:08 pm

I just purchased a 2013 Leaf SL, built 8/13 with 39K miles with 12 bars. The car was sold new and leased in the Colorado Mountains so I assume it was cool most of the time. Now in Denver so let's see how it holds up with our summers.
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