JeffnReno
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Re: Down three capacity bars. How soon will I loose my 4th capacity bar

Tue May 10, 2016 6:56 am

L5S8Game wrote:I own a 2012 SL with 21,500 miles on it. It was built in Dec 7th 2012 and I purchased the vehicle as a certified pre-owned from a Nissan dealer for $8,250.
The car was previously owned by a lady in my same town. Sunny Hot, Naples Florida. It was a lease.
When I bought the car it had 11 bars and showed full charge with 73 miles.
2 days later it dropped to 9 bars but still shows 73 miles on the gauge.
I just ordered an OBDII and LeafSpy pro, soon to find out what the numbers tell me.
Can anyone predict when I may see my 4 bar drop and if Nissan will for sure replace with 2016 24kwh battery pack?

I'm very new to this car and it's technology, please share anything I should know.

Wow...jumped from 11 bars to 9 in 2 days? I was bummed when mine dropped 1 bar from 11 to 10 in just over a month from purchase but never heard of a drop like you had. Sounds like it could be a battery defect instead of just capacity degradation. Keep us updated.
'12 Pearl White SL
Down 1 bar when bought 4/2/16
Dropped second bar 5/7/16 42720 miles

Reddy
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Re: Down three capacity bars. How soon will I loose my 4th capacity bar

Tue May 10, 2016 10:25 am

JeffnReno wrote:
L5S8Game wrote:I own a 2012 SL with 21,500 miles on it. It was built in Dec 7th 2012 and I purchased the vehicle as a certified pre-owned from a Nissan dealer for $8,250.
The car was previously owned by a lady in my same town. Sunny Hot, Naples Florida. It was a lease.
When I bought the car it had 11 bars and showed full charge with 73 miles.
2 days later it dropped to 9 bars but still shows 73 miles on the gauge.
I just ordered an OBDII and LeafSpy pro, soon to find out what the numbers tell me.
Can anyone predict when I may see my 4 bar drop and if Nissan will for sure replace with 2016 24kwh battery pack?

I'm very new to this car and it's technology, please share anything I should know.

Wow...jumped from 11 bars to 9 in 2 days? I was bummed when mine dropped 1 bar from 11 to 10 in just over a month from purchase but never heard of a drop like you had. Sounds like it could be a battery defect instead of just capacity degradation. Keep us updated.
It's possible the bars were RESET by a nefarious dealer. There have been a few cases, documented here on MNL. Don't worry, if you dropped 2 bars in a day, and are down to 9, then you will easily lose the 4th by 2017. Keep driving it hard, charging hard, and keeping it warm. LeafSpy will give the definitive numbers, but I'm betting you're in line for a new battery.
Reddy
2011 SL; 9 bar, 46.44 AHr; 40,067 mi; rcv'd Aug 18, 2011
Long: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... al#p226115"
Cold: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 60#p243033"

L5S8Game
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Re: Down three capacity bars. How soon will I loose my 4th capacity bar

Wed May 11, 2016 2:32 pm

Build nov 2012 with 21k miles and 9 bars.
GID 138, SOC 63.3, SOH 75%, AHr 49.40

What can I expect?

Reddy
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Re: Down three capacity bars. How soon will I loose my 4th capacity bar

Thu May 12, 2016 10:03 am

L5S8Game wrote:Build nov 2012 with 21k miles and 9 bars.
GID 138, SOC 63.3, SOH 75%, AHr 49.40

What can I expect?
Location? You've got two summers to go, so it should be easy. The last bar varies, but anywhere from 42-44 AHr or so. Let's estimate that you have 7 AHr to lose. Throughout last summer, I lost about 0.012 AHr/d, with less than 7500 mi/yr driving in town and in the PNW. At that rate, it would take 600 days. I'm guessing that you're farther south and drive more miles, and use the freeways more than I do. You should be able to compress that down to less than a year. However, few people have reported losing bars during the winter, so I'll guess that you'll lose that on the morning of April 27, 2017 you'll wake up to an 8 bar car. ;)
Reddy
2011 SL; 9 bar, 46.44 AHr; 40,067 mi; rcv'd Aug 18, 2011
Long: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... al#p226115"
Cold: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 60#p243033"

Leafer2012
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Re: Down three capacity bars. How soon will I loose my 4th capacity bar

Sun May 15, 2016 6:53 pm

I just bought a 2012 Leaf with 9 capacity bars. Here is the data from LeafSpy Pro:
70% SOC, AHr=44.84 SOH=68% Hx=47.45, ODO=37,220
Manufacture date: 1/30/2012
The car originally in Palmeto, FL and was just transferred to GA. I live in Atlanta area.
From reading the related posts, it seems like I'll be losing the 4th bar soon; hopefully before the end of 2016.
Is there anything I could be doing to accelerate the disappearance of the 4th bar?

LeftieBiker
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Re: Down three capacity bars. How soon will I loose my 4th capacity bar

Sun May 15, 2016 8:38 pm

2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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Leafer2012
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Re: Down three capacity bars. How soon will I loose my 4th capacity bar

Mon May 16, 2016 9:11 pm

Thank you for sharing the link.

mehagel65
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Re: Down three capacity bars. How soon will I loose my 4th capacity bar

Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:02 pm

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipM5B3xCLE0Ek8tKb92h-F8fe5s6ObUDI8X99upD

I'm assuming, based on what I have read, that my Leaf is just days away from dropping its fourth bar?

baustin
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Re: Down three capacity bars. How soon will I loose my 4th capacity bar

Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:54 pm

My SV, built in January 2013, is still clinging to that fourth bar. I expected it to drop by now.

Aug 12, 2017 - AHr=39.25, SOH=60%, Hx=53.34%, odo=25,451 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2119
2013 Leaf SV - Cayenne Red - QC Port - LED Headlights

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RegGuheert
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Location: Northern VA

Re: Down three capacity bars. How soon will I loose my 4th capacity bar

Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:46 am

baustin wrote:My SV, built in January 2013, is still clinging to that fourth bar. I expected it to drop by now.

Aug 12, 2017 - AHr=39.25, SOH=60%, Hx=53.34%, odo=25,451 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2119
Using 66.25 Ah as the original battery capacity and assuming your car's instrumentation is accurate, that indicates that your battery capacity has dropped to 59.2% of its original value. That is FAR below the 70% value that Nissan indicated was the target.

The good news is that it appears you will easily meet the criteria for a free warranty replacement battery.
RegGuheert
2011 Leaf SL Demo vehicle
2011 miles at purchase. 10K miles on Apr 14, 2013. 20K miles (55.7Ah) on Aug 7, 2014, 30K miles (52.0Ah) on Dec 30, 2015, 40K miles (49.8Ah) on Feb 8, 2017.
Enphase Inverter Measured MTBF: M190, M215, M250, S280

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