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30 kWh battery in 11-12 or 13-15 Leaf?

Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:42 pm

I wonder if Nissan will offer a 30 kWh battery for those who will be willing to pay for out of warranty battery replacement. Or even better, for those who qualify for warranty replacement the option to upgrade to a 30 kWh if willing to pay the difference.
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Re: 30 kWh battery in 11-12 or 13-15 Leaf?

Sun Jan 24, 2016 2:50 pm

I was talking with a top Nissan official about that, and it seems promising that larger range batteries may be offered for older leafs. I surmised that they need every one of their 30kWh batteries for their new production run of 2016. He was in agreement with that statement to him. He also addressed my comment about software compatibility which he responded that he believes that it can be made compatible. I also mentioned about how the lizard battery was not holding up better in hot climates and he seemed surprised by that. Of course, part of my conversation along that line was when are they going to engineer active cooling into these packs. I did not get a answer to that one.
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Re: 30 kWh battery in 11-12 or 13-15 Leaf?

Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:42 pm

That is a great news, I hoped to hear sometime: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21242

Nissan better makes and official announcement soon. For me keeping the 2015 lease, depends mainly on a clear battery upgrade path. How can I make that clear the them?
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2015 SV 09/02/14, Over 15000 miles, GID 287; 61.12AHr; 98%SOH; 22.2kWh
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Re: 30 kWh battery in 11-12 or 13-15 Leaf?

Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:06 pm

I doubt we will see a upgrade path from Nissan for 30kwh battery into our pre 2016 Leafs, anytime soon. Years away, if ever is my suspicion.
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Re: 30 kWh battery in 11-12 or 13-15 Leaf?

Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:39 pm

Firetruck41 wrote:I doubt we will see a upgrade path from Nissan for 30kwh battery into our pre 2016 Leafs, anytime soon. Years away, if ever is my suspicion.


You probably wouldn't be very sure of that statement if you had been present at this meeting. I stressed to their Rep how important it is for their secondary market to be successful with their used cars, and it was obvious to me that they already considered it very important. I believe the 30kWh battery will be offered when available and a price set. The thing I am concerned with is that the existing 30kWh is not more durable. And because they are not acknowledging that, it makes me concerned for my future because of the batteries that they will offer with their heat degradation issues.
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Re: 30 kWh battery in 11-12 or 13-15 Leaf?

Sun Jan 24, 2016 11:04 pm

Corporate reps don't like to state flatly, in public, that they aren't going to address your concerns. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it appeared that this Rep implied that they were going to make packs available, with higher capacity, for older Leafs. What would surprise me, along with most others here, would be Nissan actually doing just that. The most I expect to see is an adapter kit to use the Lizard pack with the Gen I Leaf. That would at least come close to allowing that Leaf to perform as promised when it was released - maybe not in range, but at least in longevity.
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Re: 30 kWh battery in 11-12 or 13-15 Leaf?

Sun Jan 24, 2016 11:13 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Corporate reps don't like to state flatly, in public, that they aren't going to address your concerns. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it appeared that this Rep implied that they were going to make packs available, with higher capacity, for older Leafs. What would surprise me, along with most others here, would be Nissan actually doing just that. The most I expect to see is an adapter kit to use the Lizard pack with the Gen I Leaf. That would at least come close to allowing that Leaf to perform as promised when it was released - maybe not in range, but at least in longevity.


Do you mean a cooling adapter kit? Because we are already putting lizard packs in 2011. I was lucky to have a private meeting. ;) I was able to discuss many issues.
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Re: 30 kWh battery in 11-12 or 13-15 Leaf?

Sun Jan 24, 2016 11:18 pm

Pardon my doubt but a number of us have been at "big meetings" with "top Nissan officials" in the past, where many things were alluded to and even promised, and most of them never came to pass. So, I take it with a very large grain of salt!

Evoforce wrote:You probably wouldn't be very sure of that statement if you had been present at this meeting.
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Re: 30 kWh battery in 11-12 or 13-15 Leaf?

Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:13 am

Do you mean a cooling adapter kit? Because we are already putting lizard packs in 2011.


I mean a factory adapter kit that will let a leaf-Certified Nissan dealership install a new Lizard pack in a 2011-2012 Leaf. If that's already available, then that's all I expect to see.
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Re: 30 kWh battery in 11-12 or 13-15 Leaf?

Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:38 am

TomT wrote:Pardon my doubt but a number of us have been at "big meetings" with "top Nissan officials" in the past, where many things were alluded to and even promised, and most of them never came to pass. So, I take it with a very large grain of salt!

Evoforce wrote:You probably wouldn't be very sure of that statement if you had been present at this meeting.


However Tom, just like any relationship, it is always a work in progress. If you give up the hope to change things for the better, you may contribute to the failure of not having things the way you want. Almost like a self fulfilling prophecy. I choose not to expect the worst, but I believe feeling positive can have it's advantages. In engineering, many times you are told it can't be done or it's not worthwhile to attempt to do something or it will never pay off. And maybe they decided it wasn't a good enough solution or it wasn't time well spent or it in the end didn't match up well enough with their needs. I could go on... but if you lost the desire to be a part of that process or the belief in the process itself, you could lose a lot of yourself if you have no faith to overcome obstacles that are placed in your way. A feeling of somehow I'm going to make it happen, as opposed to (it will never happen) is a powerful advantage of those who make change. My glass is half full and I hope to top it off soon... but I'm ok I've still got half a glass! As opposed to... Oh My! My glass is half empty! I might just as well forget about ever seeing it full again...
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2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi. 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 miles) Now 30,698 mi

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