BuckMkII
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Re: How hard is Georgia on batteries?

Sun May 21, 2017 9:00 am

SageBrush wrote:To answer your question: hard

Yet another pesky scenario: I've located another dealer that has a 2014 SV originally titled in Georgia with only 12,000 miles, asking $10,700. For the same price, yet another dealer has a 2014 SV that appears to have always been here in Washington, but it has 42,000 miles since titling in June 2014. Any WAG about which of these would be a better bet? My main worry about the GA car would be that the owner compulsively topped up the battery after each short drive so it sat in the heat at 100% most of the time.

The GA car is conveniently located within a modest bike ride including a ferry crossing, so heading over there on two wheels to do an extended test drive and battery performance check would mean that I would not have to return later with my wife to pick up the car. It's one of the few dealers around that I would actually enjoy riding my bike to, although the ferry ride does suck up a lot of time.
2013 SV no QC, manufactured July 2013
car grew up in San Jose CA, purchased 5/31/17 in Seattle
on 6/16/17: AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250
on 9/29/17: AHr = 55.3; SOH = 84%; Hx = 81.6; ODO = 41,492
bar 12 lost 8/21/17

SageBrush
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Delivery Date: 13 Feb 2017
Location: Colorado

Re: How hard is Georgia on batteries?

Sun May 21, 2017 9:00 am

BuckMkII wrote:Do you know where in NorCal those cars were from?

The broker I bought the car from is based near Sacramento but buys the cars he knows have lived in the cooler parts of the bay area. He only buys 12 bar cars and then checks them with LeafSpy. That is how I ended up with a car that had 98% of new battery capacity at 22k miles and 33 months old.

I would not try to game location toooo much. The proof is in the pudding -- LeafSpy before you buy!
Just know enough to not be caught by a battery reset. If any doubt then pass or take for a long enough test drive to verify the battery health
2013 Model 'S' with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California with 63.9 Ahr after 22k miles
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado

SageBrush
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Re: How hard is Georgia on batteries?

Sun May 21, 2017 9:04 am

BuckMkII wrote:The GA car is conveniently located within a modest bike ride including a ferry crossing, so heading over there on two wheels to do an extended test drive and battery performance check would mean that I would not have to return later with my wife to pick up the car. It's one of the few dealers around that I would actually enjoy riding my bike to, although the ferry ride does suck up a lot of time.

Excellent plan!

If you like the car and battery health, knock that price down to the $8,000 range

By the way, bring along tools to remove the tyres and seat. The storage space in the LEAF is not ideal for a bicycle. Just to be on the safe side.
2013 Model 'S' with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California with 63.9 Ahr after 22k miles
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado

BuckMkII
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Re: How hard is Georgia on batteries?

Sun May 21, 2017 9:12 am

SageBrush wrote:
BuckMkII wrote:Do you know where in NorCal those cars were from?

The broker I bought the car from is based near Sacramento but buys the cars he knows have lived in the cooler parts of the bay area. He only buys 12 bar cars and then checks them with LeafSpy. That is how I ended up with a car that had 98% of new battery capacity at 22k miles and 33 months old.

Wow. That's awesome! That broker must be trying to give car dealers a bad name. By which I mean a good name, playing against type.

I would not try to game location toooo much. The proof is in the pudding -- LeafSpy before you buy!
Just know enough to not be caught by a battery reset. If any doubt then pass or take for a long enough test drive to verify the battery health

Using the method you posted in the link in my reply to LeftieBiker, right? I'm still not at all sure how many ways there are to use Leaf Spy for this sort of thing.
2013 SV no QC, manufactured July 2013
car grew up in San Jose CA, purchased 5/31/17 in Seattle
on 6/16/17: AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250
on 9/29/17: AHr = 55.3; SOH = 84%; Hx = 81.6; ODO = 41,492
bar 12 lost 8/21/17

SageBrush
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Re: How hard is Georgia on batteries?

Sun May 21, 2017 9:20 am

BuckMkII wrote:Using the method you posted in the link in my reply to LeftieBiker, right? I'm still not at all sure how many ways there are to use Leaf Spy for this sort of thing.

Yep
2013 Model 'S' with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California with 63.9 Ahr after 22k miles
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado

BuckMkII
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Re: How hard is Georgia on batteries?

Sun May 21, 2017 9:25 am

SageBrush wrote:
BuckMkII wrote:The GA car is conveniently located within a modest bike ride including a ferry crossing, so heading over there on two wheels to do an extended test drive and battery performance check would mean that I would not have to return later with my wife to pick up the car. It's one of the few dealers around that I would actually enjoy riding my bike to, although the ferry ride does suck up a lot of time.

Excellent plan!

If you like the car and battery health, knock that price down to the $8,000 range

By the way, bring along tools to remove the tyres and seat. The storage space in the LEAF is not ideal for a bicycle. Just to be on the safe side.

Oh, I travel heavy on my commuter bike. QR skewers on the hubs, but I do have a multi-tool in the pannier at all times that I use on the seat post binder bolt. Can't even remember the last time I used that tool for anything other than an obstacle to finding my house keys in the pannier pocket, so it would be nice to actually have a need for it. :D

That dealer is located on a highway that is mostly rural, so I could easily expect to do a 20 mile test drive at an almost constant 50 mph. Maintaining a steady speed would be better than driving around town?

The 2014 full capacity is 24 kWH, right?
2013 SV no QC, manufactured July 2013
car grew up in San Jose CA, purchased 5/31/17 in Seattle
on 6/16/17: AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250
on 9/29/17: AHr = 55.3; SOH = 84%; Hx = 81.6; ODO = 41,492
bar 12 lost 8/21/17

Jedlacks
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Delivery Date: 29 May 2016
Location: Kennesaw, GA

Re: How hard is Georgia on batteries?

Sun May 21, 2017 10:25 am

OP,
There are two threads here that talk about the 2014 and the 2015 battery health. Some of us are from Atlanta and it's suburbs, and we post the stats monthly. Look it over and compare it to the numbers you see on the cars you are interested in.
2015 SV QC/LED
Juicebox 40A

SageBrush
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Re: How hard is Georgia on batteries?

Sun May 21, 2017 12:11 pm

BuckMkII wrote:The 2014 full capacity is 24 kWH, right?

2- 3 kWh are reserved by Nissan. A new battery at 100% would be about 21 kWh
2013 Model 'S' with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California with 63.9 Ahr after 22k miles
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado

BuckMkII
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Location: Seattle

Re: How hard is Georgia on batteries?

Mon May 22, 2017 6:34 am

Jedlacks wrote:OP,
There are two threads here that talk about the 2014 and the 2015 battery health. Some of us are from Atlanta and it's suburbs, and we post the stats monthly. Look it over and compare it to the numbers you see on the cars you are interested in.


These threads?
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22312
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... &start=710

I didn't find a long one for 2014 yet, so I may be missing something.
2013 SV no QC, manufactured July 2013
car grew up in San Jose CA, purchased 5/31/17 in Seattle
on 6/16/17: AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250
on 9/29/17: AHr = 55.3; SOH = 84%; Hx = 81.6; ODO = 41,492
bar 12 lost 8/21/17

BuckMkII
Posts: 139
Joined: Sat May 06, 2017 8:04 am
Location: Seattle

Re: How hard is Georgia on batteries?

Mon May 22, 2017 7:03 am

SageBrush wrote:
BuckMkII wrote:The 2014 full capacity is 24 kWH, right?

2- 3 kWh are reserved by Nissan. A new battery at 100% would be about 21 kWh


Thanks!

Still not sure what to set as my thresholds to pass on the car. Does SOH > 91 or capacity > 19.3 kWh seem reasonable or unrealistically stringent? The car in this post has a similar history (but is a 2015) and a much lower SOH (87%, probably due to QC usage?) I was a little surprised by that number.
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 10#p492277

This is the car I'm looking at, btw.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/6131779656.html

Whereabouts in Colorado do you live? I grew up in Littleton and lived in Boulder for eight years for college and my first job. Still a couple more years until I've lived half my life a mile below normal ground level!
2013 SV no QC, manufactured July 2013
car grew up in San Jose CA, purchased 5/31/17 in Seattle
on 6/16/17: AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250
on 9/29/17: AHr = 55.3; SOH = 84%; Hx = 81.6; ODO = 41,492
bar 12 lost 8/21/17

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