mywaracfirfoyff
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Leaf charging info.

Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:13 pm

I found this list of charging levels on the RAV4-EV mailing list, and though it might be of interest to the people here.

The 2011 Leaf will come with a 3.3KW charger on board.
The 2012 Leaf will have a 6.6KW charger.
It will be possible to upgrade the 2011 with the faster charger (at extra cost) when the 2012 model comes out.

Level 3 charging requires the more expensive trim level (~800$).
Level 3 charging uses an external charger which provides DC power directly to the pack.
Level one and two both use the on board charger, and thus send AC into the car.

Charge stations installed today should have the capability to provide 6.6KW, so home EVSE (Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment) installed for a 2011 Leaf to charge at 3.3KW should work with no changes if you later upgrade your Leaf to the 6.6KW charger.

Charge levels.
Level One Charging uses 110V - 15 A, The Charge Power is 1.4kW and would take about 18 hours to charge.
Level 2 (low) Charging uses 220 V -15A, The Charge Power is 3.3kW and will charge in about 8 hours
Level 2 (high) Charging uses 220 V - 30A, The Charge Power is 6.6kW and will charge in about 4 hours
Level 3 Charging uses 480V - 167A, The Charge Power is 70 - 50 kW and will charge in 20 -50 minutes.

Thanks!

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garygid
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Re: Leaf charing info.

Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:42 pm

Great if it all comes to pass.
All sounds quite good.
It will be nice to hear it from Nissan, with an estimated price for upgrading the 2010 Leaf's onboard charger.
Any guesses?
$500 to $1000 perhaps?
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Re: Leaf charing info.

Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:03 am

mywaracfirfoyff wrote:Level 3 charging requires the more expensive trim level (~800$).


This is important - but haven't seen listed anywhere by Nissan. Some saw this while booking ....
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garygid
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Re: Leaf charing info.

Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:07 am

The more expensive trim is the SL (basic is the SV), now priced at $1000 extra.
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Peehaps this is somewhat older estimates and plans?
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2010 Prius, 2014 silver Tesla S
Nissan EVSE, mod to 240/120v 16A
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Re: Leaf charing info.

Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:15 am

garygid wrote:The more expensive trim is the SL (basic is the SV), now priced at $1000 extra.
M
Peehaps this is somewhat older estimates and plans?


Possible - I think lvl 3 charger is too important to be left out of base model. Atleast too important not to be listed anywhere.
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Re: Leaf charing info.

Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:32 am

At one point I think Nissan was considering leaving the L3 charging out completely ... in the US model.
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2010 Prius, 2014 silver Tesla S
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Re: Leaf charing info.

Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:34 am

At least this would make the SL package actually worth something.
See SOC/GID-Meter and CAN-Do Info
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2010 Prius, 2014 silver Tesla S
Nissan EVSE, mod to 240/120v 16A
PU: SDG&E
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Re: Leaf charing info.

Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:56 pm

evnow wrote:
mywaracfirfoyff wrote:Level 3 charging requires the more expensive trim level (~800$).

Source...RAV4 List.

Publications and info direct from Nissan and Nissan employees shows that Level III capability is in all cars initially - and might only disappear temporarily because we don't yet have a Level III charging standard in the US. NISSAN/TEPCO/CHAdeMO are pushing for the currently installed Level III connector to be the world standard but it's not a done deal yet. If the SAE estimate is correct, a standard could be approved in time for the 2012 MY Leaf.

I suspect this is bad info from the RAV4 list.

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Re: Leaf charing info.

Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:18 pm

My memory is fuzzy, but when I was reserving my Leaf on-line, there was a screen that asked if I wanted the Level 3 charging feature, and I clicked yes. So it was a part of the reservation process for me.

In addition, here is a paste of a chat transcript from Nissan where I asked about the rate of the home chargers. I also have heard the rumor that the initial models won't be able to charge faster than 3.3kW. I guess I could have worded the question better, but here is what Tim said...

Randy:
Okay...As far as the charging goes, I have heard that the initial rollout will require a 15amp 240volt connection at home, but later the charger might be able to charge faster with a higher rated 240V current?

Tim:
That's a good question. Let me check on that for you. This will take a few moment.

Tim:
Yes, the Nissan partner for the home charging dock equipment and installation, Aeronvironment, will be able to install both a 220 V - 30A circuit (will charge in about 4 hours) and 220 V -15A circuits (will charge in about 8 hours). Please give me a moment while I do additional research on that.

Randy:
Okay, thanks.

Tim:
Yes, I was able to confirm that if your service panel can take a higher rated current, Aerovironment can run this circuit to you charging dock. This will allow you to charge the vehicle much faster.

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Re: Leaf charing info.

Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:34 pm

AndyH wrote:Publications and info direct from Nissan and Nissan employees shows that Level III capability is in all cars initially

Do you have a link to the source indicating that it will be in all cars initially?

Thanks!

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