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Re: Chademo killed my new 2018 Leaf

Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:42 pm

OK Nissan, you've convinced me. I'll drive a Leaf tomorrow, but I'm not leasing one anytime soon. You'd think they'd retooled the whole car, instead of the nose, tail and battery pack...
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Re: Chademo killed my new 2018 Leaf

Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:57 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:OK Nissan, you've convinced me. I'll drive a Leaf tomorrow, but I'm not leasing one anytime soon. You'd think they'd retooled the whole car, instead of the nose, tail and battery pack...

or jumped the gun putting in some of the new chademo parameters skipping the backwards compatibility step...
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Re: Chademo killed my new 2018 Leaf

Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:41 pm

Yikes! I hope this isn't a wider issue!
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
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Re: Chademo killed my new 2018 Leaf

Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:06 pm

Mike04 wrote:Sorry 6kW not 6kV. Would 6kV at 1 amp kill the Leaf? That would still be 6kW.

Only once the battery was charged and the contactors opened. 6,000V would likely jump the contactors and keep charging the battery. But with the battery connected and being charged it is impossible to have 6,000V and 1A at the same time.

Volts are like pressure and amps like flow. If the tank (battery) has 400psi (volts) and is being pumped up with 1cc/m (amps) it's not going to jump to 6,000psi any time soon until the valves close (contactors) and the compressor pumps up to 6,000psi and blows apart the valves (jumps the contactors).
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Re: Chademo killed my new 2018 Leaf

Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:37 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:*scraping plans to test car on Greenlots*
I don't blame you for that!
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Re: Chademo killed my new 2018 Leaf

Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:16 am

Mike04 wrote:Sorry 6kW not 6kV. Would 6kV at 1 amp kill the Leaf?

Probably. J1772 inlet is supposed to have 240 volt input max. CHAdeMO input is about 400 volts.

Leaf battery pack operates around the mid to high 300 volt range.
Mike04 wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:Was the car still On when you tried to start charging?
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I believe it was not on. Certainly not intentionally. But it shouldn't matter. These things need to be idiot proof if they are going to be a mainstream mode of transportation. Anyone could forget to push the stop button.

I agree. It shouldn't matter whether the car was on or not.

Prior to model year '18, if you tried CHAdeMO charging with the car turned on first, it simply wouldn't work. It was easy to do that on the '11 and '12 due to the mechanical charging door release w/no interlock. On the '13 to '17, since you have to push a button, the opener button does nothing when the car's in READY mode. It must be turned off to release.

OP, willing to post a Plugshare link to the CHAdeMO charger you used? It'd be interesting to know the model and whether anyone else had trouble w/that unit.

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Re: Chademo killed my new 2018 Leaf

Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:42 am

ChAdeMO released version 1.1 of their specification in September 2015. I will assume that the 2018 Nissan LEAF conforms to this new standard. It seems inconceivable, but is it possible that chargers designed and certified to the 0.9 version of the standard could damage vehicles which are designed and certified for version 1.1? In other words, could 1.1 be incompatible with the older specifications?

That's really hard to imagine, and it is even harder to imagine that Nissan would not have tested their new cars with all of the popular CHAdeMO chargers out there, but clearly something is amiss here.

So far, this appears to be a major fail on Nissan's part.
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Re: Chademo killed my new 2018 Leaf

Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:30 am

No, it is backwards compatible...

RegGuheert wrote:It seems inconceivable, but is it possible that chargers designed and certified to the 0.9 version of the standard could damage vehicles which are designed and certified for version 1.1? In other words, could 1.1 be incompatible with the older specifications?
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71,770 miles/12 bars/256 Gids/59.04 AHr/88% SOH/87.92% Hx 3Mar16 at lease return.

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Re: Chademo killed my new 2018 Leaf

Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:44 am

TomT wrote:No, it is backwards compatible...
RegGuheert wrote:It seems inconceivable, but is it possible that chargers designed and certified to the 0.9 version of the standard could damage vehicles which are designed and certified for version 1.1? In other words, could 1.1 be incompatible with the older specifications?
Sure, per the specifications. I would expect nothing different.

But that doesn't mean that some implementations of the old specification didn't fudge a bit or that some of the implementations were fully compliant but were done in such a way that was never conceived of by the standards committee.
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Re: Chademo killed my new 2018 Leaf

Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:45 am

Greenlots apparently uses all kinds of hardware as they are primarily a "charge management" company so it would be essential at this point to determine what brand of charger was used.

I can confirm we now have several reports that Aeroenvironment DCFCs will NOT work.

In not so unrelated news. Aeroenvironment received a 2018 LEAF to test yesterday (soooo, "now" is a good time??)
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