HerdingElectrons
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New Owner & would like some advice on a 2018 pack(LeafSpy)

Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:10 am

Hey There folks, I made the plunge because the whole EV only concept fascinates me & I think I had a pretty good use case scenario for this car but would like more experienced folks to advise.

The car was built 08/16/2018 & I bought it on 09/17/2017 & the dealer software said the car had been on the lot for 6 days. When I first sat in the car it had 1 mile on it. The ambient temps in that town have been in the 60-80's Fahrenheit so that bodes well too. Here's some screenshots of LeafSpy that I still need to read more about to fully understand but wanted baseline data points. I had to wait for the OBDII adaptor so the mileage was at 58.

Here's a link to an Imgur album of the 4 LeafSpy screens:

https://imgur.com/a/e02aciS


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2018 SL Pearl White, LOVE ProPilot Currently at 4.1-4.5 miles/kwh as I learn to drive pure EV & the weather gets colder.

Sept 2018: AHr= 114.52 / SOH= 99.2 / HX= 99.70% / 14 mV cell delta

2013 Prius 2, 126K & still really enjoy the car

powersurge
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Re: New Owner & would like some advice on a 2018 pack(LeafSpy)

Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:54 am

The leaf spy looks great..... I what is your concern? You have a brand new car that has just been manufactured... What could be wrong???

This car is a long term appliance... Don't worry about temperature, climate, or any external issue. The car is just as hearty as any other car. It will last you at least a decade... Or until you get tired of it..

LeftieBiker
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Re: New Owner & would like some advice on a 2018 pack(LeafSpy)

Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:56 am

The stats are a little bit lower than my Winter-built SL when I got it, and it needs a full equalizing charge, but otherwise it seems fine.
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HerdingElectrons
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Re: New Owner & would like some advice on a 2018 pack(LeafSpy)

Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:15 pm

@powersurge, not worried unless there was a glaring out of spec stat!

Also taking a baseline I intend to periodically post reports annually or w/e to track degradation for my edification as well as for others to observe.

@Biker I will be giving it a full charge next Tuesday because I have notably more miles to drive that day. My typical daily miles is around 25-70 on the days I use the car if I use it all day. Otherwise it's just a few miles to the store here or there for food and whatnot.
2018 SL Pearl White, LOVE ProPilot Currently at 4.1-4.5 miles/kwh as I learn to drive pure EV & the weather gets colder.

Sept 2018: AHr= 114.52 / SOH= 99.2 / HX= 99.70% / 14 mV cell delta

2013 Prius 2, 126K & still really enjoy the car

LeftieBiker
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Re: New Owner & would like some advice on a 2018 pack(LeafSpy)

Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:27 pm

Please post those stats in the 40KWH Battery Topic. Thanks.
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cwerdna
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Re: New Owner & would like some advice on a 2018 pack(LeafSpy)

Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:56 am

powersurge wrote:The leaf spy looks great..... I what is your concern? You have a brand new car that has just been manufactured.

Agreed.

Without know where you, the OP live
powersurge wrote:This car is a long term appliance... Don't worry about temperature, climate, or any external issue. The car is just as hearty as any other car. It will last you at least a decade... Or until you get tired of it..

This is TERRIBLE advice for a hot climate and not very good for warmer climates.

I had to give powersurge a history lesson at viewtopic.php?p=508974#p508974. If he lived in a hotter climate and seen how badly the pre-4/2013 batteries degraded... Even the best batter revision we know of so far, the '15 "lizard" battery which powersurge although improved is no match for hot climates: viewtopic.php?p=517572#p517572.
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HerdingElectrons
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Re: New Owner & would like some advice on a 2018 pack(LeafSpy)

Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:44 am

@cwerdna: I live in the 93422 area & will also operate in the 93446 area. So it can & does get quite warm/hot but I also have the flexibility to not drive in peak heat periods because I prefer to not be working when it's that hot anyways.
2018 SL Pearl White, LOVE ProPilot Currently at 4.1-4.5 miles/kwh as I learn to drive pure EV & the weather gets colder.

Sept 2018: AHr= 114.52 / SOH= 99.2 / HX= 99.70% / 14 mV cell delta

2013 Prius 2, 126K & still really enjoy the car

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: New Owner & would like some advice on a 2018 pack(LeafSpy)

Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:07 am

Is there a question in there somewhere?

How about I ask you; What was SOC when you first arrived at the dealership? A reputable dealership would have it in the 50% range and QC it as they prepped the paperwork for a sale or lease.

As far as LS stats; they are within the norm. The range is 114.5 to 115.2 ahr, and "up to" 99.66 % SOH. (Hx you can ignore as it will likely be in the 110's in a month or so if you drive enough)
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cwerdna
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Re: New Owner & would like some advice on a 2018 pack(LeafSpy)

Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:25 pm

HerdingElectrons wrote:@cwerdna: I live in the 93422 area & will also operate in the 93446 area. So it can & does get quite warm/hot but I also have the flexibility to not drive in peak heat periods because I prefer to not be working when it's that hot anyways.

I had to look up those zip codes on Google maps and unfortunately I don't know those areas. From a brief look at https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/atasc ... =7/01/2018 and some months around it, it does seem pretty warm there.

Unfortunately, it is way too early to tell how the 40 kWh battery will hold up in terms of degradation. It takes us about 2 summers to find out. However, you do have an 8 year/100K capacity warranty unlike us 24 kWh folks (w/5 year/60K capacity warranty).

I pointed to some steps I take to keep my battery cooler: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=8802&p=509210&hilit=underground#p509210.

Recently again, I was able to keep my battery a few degrees above 70 F when it go to 90 F outside.

There's no way during the hotter months of my year I could choose not to charge because it was above 55 F. Even in cooler months, since I charge mostly at work for free, I still will be doing the bulk of my charging when outside air temps are above 55 F.

Besides the 4 bars down when the Leaf had only been out about 21 months in Phoenix, this guy w/an '11 lost his 4th bar 2 months after the 5 year/60K capacity warranty expired.
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19967&p=454899&hilit=4th+bar#p454899
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22113&p=463376&hilit=warranty#p463376
viewtopic.php?p=454921#p454921
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=8802&p=475234#p475234

Notice his delivery date is in Jan 2011 and 4th bar loss was in March 2016? He was down somewhere past 30% capacity, maybe 35% or 36%. He got no takers at $4500 and donated it. It didn't help that he was a remote part of CA. I bet if he were in the SF Bay Area, it'd have been snapped up at that price.

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HerdingElectrons
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Re: New Owner & would like some advice on a 2018 pack(LeafSpy)

Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:02 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:Is there a question in there somewhere?

How about I ask you; What was SOC when you first arrived at the dealership? A reputable dealership would have it in the 50% range and QC it as they prepped the paperwork for a sale or lease.

As far as LS stats; they are within the norm. The range is 114.5 to 115.2 ahr, and "up to" 99.66 % SOH. (Hx you can ignore as it will likely be in the 110's in a month or so if you drive enough)


SOC was 99% so that was not ideal obviously. Also their QC is offline so that's not an option for them or me.
2018 SL Pearl White, LOVE ProPilot Currently at 4.1-4.5 miles/kwh as I learn to drive pure EV & the weather gets colder.

Sept 2018: AHr= 114.52 / SOH= 99.2 / HX= 99.70% / 14 mV cell delta

2013 Prius 2, 126K & still really enjoy the car

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