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Re: Just hit 8 bars with $8,000 owed = advice needed!

Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:40 pm

FWIW, https://www.facebook.com/notes/seattle- ... 373291032/ does make a reference to 4/2013 and later build months.

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Re: Just hit 8 bars with $8,000 owed = advice needed!

Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:46 pm

When it comes to used LEAFs, model years 2013 and higher are a good choice for a long term purchase. Here’s why:
Better than earlier model years
Nissan made significant improvements in model year (MY) 2013 based on lots of feedback from drivers of their launch model – everything from little but convenient things like a light under the charge port cover, to major improvements like a higher rate of regular charging and a better heating system. Most importantly, Nissan made changes to improve the battery performance starting in MY 2013.


There are a LOT more mentions like this without build month, and then just one suggesting that the 4/2013+ packs "may" have a better chemistry. That isn't worth much.
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Re: Just hit 8 bars with $8,000 owed = advice needed!

Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:51 pm

^^^
Well, the 4/2013+ build months having probably better packs has been mentioned a countless number of times here.

I can't speak to all other places though.

I haven't had a chance to read this whole thread but +1 on the advice of 120 volt outlet at work. If one charges all day on that, that'll really improve the useful life of this car for this commute.
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Re: Just hit 8 bars with $8,000 owed = am I screwed?

Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:52 pm

HerdingElectrons wrote:
WetEV wrote:I recommend, and have for years, that people buy new EVs only if the commute is less than the "No worries range", which is somewhere around half of the EPA range. You are beyond that range at 42.5 miles, even with a new EV. Yes, not by much, but Salt Lake City has cold winters. Freeway miles might be high speed, if not things are a little better. The slower you can drive, the longer the range on a charge.


Did you mean even with a new battery in a 2013 Leaf?

Because 1/2 of 151 miles in a '18 certainly is more than 42.5 miles.


Half of a 2018 Leaf's range is ~75 miles. As you point out, rather longer. Same with new BMW i3, various Tesla models, GM Bolt, etc.

If the OP wanted a new battery, which I don't think he does, I'd very slightly discourage that, as would reset the range to EPA 84 miles, and half of that is 42 miles.
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Re: Just hit 8 bars with $8,000 owed = advice needed!

Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:57 pm

If it works today you may as well keep driving and get as much value as you can out of it.
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Re: Just hit 8 bars with $8,000 owed = advice needed!

Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:29 am

I find that if i use surface streets instead of 65mph highways the distance that the car can go increases a lot. its the slow speed and perhaps drafting with other car in closer proximity than what is polite on the highway. if there is a 45mph or 50mph route next to the highway try that, and see how many miles are left on the range estimator or leaf spy app and compare that to the highway route.

if you could plug in 120v L1 at you place of work, or even near you place of work even your 22mile one way trip would be safe for a long time. if work is not an option maybe a homeowner or business will allow you to plug in for a nominal monthly fee. Walmart has 100' 12 awg extension cords for $55 shipped, that might open some options thinking of it like that.

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Re: Just hit 8 bars with $8,000 owed = am I screwed?

Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:41 am

WetEV wrote:SageBrush is in rural Colorado, and his local market for used EVs probably isn't close to the national market.

Rural Colorado indeed, but my local LEAF market includes a town 45 minutes away that has a Nissan dealership that sells LEAFs to the progressive residents that live there. It is common to see LEAFs being driven around.
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Re: Just hit 8 bars with $8,000 owed = advice needed!

Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:52 am

The warranty for the 2018 Leaf is at least nine bars for 96 months or 100,000 miles, so it appears the 2018 has a better warranty. Remember your warranty starts the day the car was sold, not built. Your CarFax report should indicate the original sale date but the sale date may actually be in 2012.

If you can not get the battery replaced under warranty then you have three options; live with the car with the range you’v got, replace the battery or sell the car. You should be able get a new battery from Nissan for about $6,000 installed or you might be able to pick up a slightly used battery out of a wreck for about $2,000. You might also be able to talk Nissan into sending you one of those remanufactured batteris from Japan for about the price of a used battery.

You have to consider battery replacement in an EV like you consider tire replacement or engine replacement in an ICE, it will be required eventually and you better have the replacement factored into to your purchasing plans. The EV market is still fairly new and does a poor job of factoring in the health of batteries. The EV market should follow aircraft market that values aircraft largely on the number of hours since the last major engine overhaul.

I know none of this probably what you want to hear. But remember that even if your Leaf does not meet your needs it probably is valuable to someone either as a donor or utility car.

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Re: Just hit 8 bars with $8,000 owed = advice needed!

Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:58 am

smkettner wrote:Start making double payments on the loan.


I don’t know about that, car loans usually have some of the lowest interest rates. You might be better off using the money to pay down credit cards. Then if you do find a buyer for the car, but you are upside down, you can use the credit card to make up the difference.

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Re: Just hit 8 bars with $8,000 owed = am I screwed?

Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:07 am

WetEV wrote:Reliable workplace charging, even L1 (120V 15A standard outlet) would change this advice. You could probably do three years or more with that. Even more if you drove the truck on the coldest days.

With a 18 mile one-way commute, I actually think you will do just fine with just being able to charge via L1 during the day at work (and overnight). 8 hours of 120V@12A will give you back more charge than your one-way commute.
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