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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:20 pm

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SageBrush
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:15 am

TexasLeaf wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:14 am
The down side is that I have to pay the $/minute for 125 kW rate at the Electrify America stations
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Have you confirmed this through experience ? If so, it is steep pricing at $4 a month + $1 a session + ~ 42 cents a kWh for ~ 70 kW power.
I paid under 11 cents a kWh to charge at ~ 140 kW at a Supercharger recently. It was a 7 minute charging stop to collect about 75 EPA rated miles of range for $1.75
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TexasLeaf
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:51 am

SageBrush wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:15 am
I paid under 11 cents a kWh to charge at ~ 140 kW at a Supercharger recently. It was a 7 minute charging stop to collect about 75 EPA rated miles of range for $1.75
So you are a Tesla Troll. The price you paid for Supercharging is irrelevant considering the high price you paid for the Tesla subsidized the Superchargers and the charging. If you paid anything at all for Supercharging you paid too much considering a lot of Tesla owners get their Supercharging for free.
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SageBrush
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:36 am

TexasLeaf wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:51 am
SageBrush wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:15 am
I paid under 11 cents a kWh to charge at ~ 140 kW at a Supercharger recently. It was a 7 minute charging stop to collect about 75 EPA rated miles of range for $1.75
The price you paid for Supercharging is irrelevant considering the high price you paid for the Tesla subsidized the Superchargers and the charging. If you paid anything at all for Supercharging you paid too much considering a lot of Tesla owners get their Supercharging for free.
Funny. You don't want to know how much more you paid for your hobbled LEAF and Kia econobox than I paid for my Tesla.

I'm not judging your choices; I am saying they are expensive.
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TexasLeaf
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:07 am

SageBrush wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:36 am

Funny. You don't want to know how much more you paid for your hobbled LEAF and Kia econobox than I paid for my Tesla.

I'm not judging your choices; I am saying they are expensive.
Typical Tesla Troll rhetoric. Neither my Leaf SL nor my Niro EV EX Premium were econoboxes, they were both top of the line; power everything, leather seats and level 2 autonomous systems (something many Teslas don't have). The Niro EV is the fastest production Kia and it has faster 0 to 60 mph times than MOST production vehicles.
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:21 am

TexasLeaf wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:07 am
SageBrush wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:36 am

Funny. You don't want to know how much more you paid for your hobbled LEAF and Kia econobox than I paid for my Tesla.

I'm not judging your choices; I am saying they are expensive.
Typical Tesla Troll rhetoric. Neither my Leaf SL nor my Niro EV EX Premium were econoboxes, they were both top of the line; power everything, leather seats and level 2 autonomous systems (something many Teslas don't have). The Niro EV is the fastest production Kia and it has faster 0 to 60 mph times than MOST production vehicles.
Rhetoric ? Nah, this is just you attacking me because you do not like to face reality. You paid about $11,000 more than I did for a Tesla Model 3 LR, to lease a LEAF for 18 months followed by a Kia.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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Astros
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:43 pm

Congratulations on your new Niro EV! The car has great reviews and gets fantastic range and efficiency, so I'm sure you'll enjoy it for a long time.

Rapidgate also prompted me to trade in my 2018 Leaf, but in my case I gambled on another Nissan with an SL Plus. It worked out to $10k cheaper for us than the Niro (at least, at the time), and we knew the Leaf size and features matched what we wanted in a car.

The gamble has so far worked out for us: we have taken three long trips in the Plus this summer that we also did with the 30kWh and 40kWh versions, and so far haven't seen a hot battery or seen any charging sessions with less than the maximum charge rate. For our return trip yesterday, we started with a 35% charge and drove 300 miles from Lincoln City to Seattle by way of Astoria, and got home with 22 miles left on the dash. We stopped to charge twice, and after the second charge still only 8 temperature bars (sorry, I forgot to check LeafSpy). The outside temperatures were in the low 70s, so things might not have worked out as well for us in Arizona or Texas in the summer, but in the 2018 Leaf I would have expected temperatures in the mid 120s after that much fast charging. When we did this exact same trip last year, our final charge was at a painfully slow 16kW.
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:23 pm

Wish we had Niros in the Midwest to compare against.

Actually even Leafs are not in short supply. I don’t know if it’s due to all the new markets they are sending the car (Latam, South East Asia, etc) but dealers that normally have dozens And maybe one or two. Even the discounts are reducing.

Some of the Tesla service issues reported (whether overblown in the media or not is a different question) has been sending some potential buyers into the other brands.
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danrjones
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:26 am

SageBrush wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:21 am
TexasLeaf wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:07 am
SageBrush wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:36 am

Funny. You don't want to know how much more you paid for your hobbled LEAF and Kia econobox than I paid for my Tesla.

I'm not judging your choices; I am saying they are expensive.
Typical Tesla Troll rhetoric. Neither my Leaf SL nor my Niro EV EX Premium were econoboxes, they were both top of the line; power everything, leather seats and level 2 autonomous systems (something many Teslas don't have). The Niro EV is the fastest production Kia and it has faster 0 to 60 mph times than MOST production vehicles.
Rhetoric ? Nah, this is just you attacking me because you do not like to face reality. You paid about $11,000 more than I did for a Tesla Model 3 LR, to lease a LEAF for 18 months followed by a Kia.
To be fair, you can't really compare. Not because Tesla is a luxury brand, but because they are different segments.
I like Tesla, my brother has an S and a 3. I park my leaf next to a white model 3 at work. But the model 3 is not an SUV nor a hatchback nor a crossover. If you want a crossover like the Niro EV, then your only Tesla option is the X, and that's a lot MORE pricey. (Model Y coming soon...)

I like the hatchback style. So does my wife. We have an outback, which was our newest until the leaf. My wife got the outback as her car but now she wants to drive the leaf whenever I'm not using it. She loves the hatchback style. When I am parked next to the model 3, there is no comparison. They are different styles completely. My point is that not everyone wants a sedan. Some people even want minivans....
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Triggerhappy007
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:20 am

TexasLeaf wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:07 am
The Niro EV is the fastest production Kia and it has faster 0 to 60 mph times than MOST production vehicles.
I think you forgot Kia also makes the Stinger GT and K900. :)
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