danrjones
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:33 pm

iPlug wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:26 pm
Haven’t checked back in with dealers recently here in NorCal since they were first available a few months back, but dealers were asking above MSRP and probably getting it with very low inventory and rapid turnover then.
Yeah, my closest dealer has one or two, and actually has the price above MSRP.

But a quick check of greater LA dealers I found three that had between 8 to even 18 each, and one had a $1500 markdown to start. Not a lot, but something.
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iPlug
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:06 pm

Good to hear. Folks seem to be pretty happy with them and haven’t consistently heard any major gripes of the level of rapidgate.

Would be good to see further growth in supply and hopefully Kia can make some money on these and make and maintain it a widely available 50-state vehicle.
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TexasLeaf
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:11 pm

danrjones wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:04 am
If you don't mind saying, what did the monthly lease cost come out to?
I bought a 2019 Niro EV EX Premium with the EX Premium Launch Edition option. Additional options included carpeted floor mats, cargo net and mud guards. Total MSRP including freight and handling was $46,295.

I paid $4,000 down that covered tax and license, the first lease payment and the negative on my Leaf trade-in. I had 35 lease payments at $476.48. The residual at the end of the lease will be $22221.60.

There will be a $400 transfer fee if I decide to purchase the car at the end of the lease. Right now I'm thinking of purchasing the car but I will have to wait and see if the car is worth the residual at the end of the lease. I rent out the car on Turo.com to help me out a little bit with the lease payments.
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2018 Leaf SL
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TexasLeaf
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:34 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:49 am
How much did the LEAF experience cost you ?
I had the2018 Leaf with ProPilot for 18 months. I paid $4,000 down and paid 17 lease payments at $350 each month. I had to cover a $705.55 difference between the trade-in and the residual payoff but I also received a $2,500 rebate from the State of Texas.

So my total out of pocket for 18 months of ownership on the Leaf was $8,155.55 not including insurance, charging, etc. The car had about 18,000 miles on it when I traded it in. The Leaf was not the least expensive car I ever had but then again I was glad to see it go.
2018 Leaf SL
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2007 GMC Envoy XL SLT 4X4

SageBrush
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:09 am

TexasLeaf wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:34 pm
SageBrush wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:49 am
How much did the LEAF experience cost you ?
I had the2018 Leaf with ProPilot for 18 months. I paid $4,000 down and paid 17 lease payments at $350 each month. I had to cover a $705.55 difference between the trade-in and the residual payoff but I also received a $2,500 rebate from the State of Texas.

So my total out of pocket for 18 months of ownership on the Leaf was $8,155.55 not including insurance, charging, etc. The car had about 18,000 miles on it when I traded it in. The Leaf was not the least expensive car I ever had but then again I was glad to see it go.
Thanks for the detail.

If I added things up correctly, you end up $51,529.88 out of pocket between the LEAF and the Kia if you end up buying the Kia.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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danrjones
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:36 am

TexasLeaf wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:34 pm
SageBrush wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:49 am
How much did the LEAF experience cost you ?
I had the2018 Leaf with ProPilot for 18 months. I paid $4,000 down and paid 17 lease payments at $350 each month. I had to cover a $705.55 difference between the trade-in and the residual payoff but I also received a $2,500 rebate from the State of Texas.

So my total out of pocket for 18 months of ownership on the Leaf was $8,155.55 not including insurance, charging, etc. The car had about 18,000 miles on it when I traded it in. The Leaf was not the least expensive car I ever had but then again I was glad to see it go.
Not certain but that seems like a lot for 1.5 years. Glad it worked out for you. The Leaf experience seems to heavily depend on (A) your usage environment, (B) expectations, and (C) the price you get.
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iPlug
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:28 am

A Leaf can be a great value, new or used, most generally as a secondary vehicle, with few if any compromises. Some people can make it work as a primary vehicle.

However, those with very long commutes or use as a primary vehicle with any road trip use requiring fast charging, will be likely disappointed at the least.

Our 2 vehicle household with Tesla M3 SR+ combo with 40kWh Leaf works great for us and was the lowest cost we could get for new BEVs with minimal compromises for our commuting and travel patterns.

YMMV.
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TexasLeaf
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:12 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:09 am

Thanks for the detail.

If I added things up correctly, you end up $51,529.88 out of pocket between the LEAF and the Kia if you end up buying the Kia.
I don’t know that you can justify adding up costs of the two cars, after all the Leaf was 1-1/2 years old and the Niro is brand new. If you look at the cost per mile, the money I spent on the Leaf was pretty reasonable. And I think the Niro is a keeper, so by the the time I’m ready to part with it I will have more than got my money’s worth out of it.
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2007 GMC Envoy XL SLT 4X4

WetEV
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:09 pm

Sage hates Nissan and the Leaf. He wants to make the Leaf sound as awful as he can.
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Most everything around here is wet during the rainy season. And the rainy season is long.
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SageBrush
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Re: No more Rapidgate!! I traded my 2018 Leaf in on a 2019 Niro EV

Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:19 pm

^^ Take up your peeve with whomever discovered arithmetic
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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