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Re: Nissan Exec Talks About the Batteries and It's Expected

Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:29 am

Regarding the amount of miles driven, many will live in areas where there are shorter commuter routes however experience has been that people with 2 cars tend to drive the EV more than the ICE vehicle.

I would agree that he was being a bit pessimistic. I actually think they did a terrible job on the video. It seemed too rehearsed and insincere... like it was take 50 that was printed - it could be the directors fault (or lack of one.) I tend to agree with the article mentioned above that Nissan too often seems to be apologizing for the electric car rather than acting as if they believed this was the future (as they have said.)

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Re: Nissan Exec Talks About the Batteries and It's Expected

Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:18 am

Interesting video.

Nissan will protect the LEAF's image with the public by taking care of the early adopters if they are of the opinion it will tarnish their entire product line. This happened with the high cost of repairing CVT where they retroactively applied extended warranties on transmissions. If their product is faulty they won't allow that to impact their ability to sell cars. Does that mean they will take good care of us? Maybe, maybe not. It depends on the scale and perception of any problems with their customer base.

LEAF early adopters are typically technically inclined, and I would speculate are more likely to be bloggers. As such they will want to be sure early adopters are treated fairly. I'm not talking favoritism, we can't expect that, but fair treatment is on the cards IMHO.
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Re: Nissan Exec Talks About the Batteries and It's Expected

Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:59 pm

Look at this article on Project Better Place in Israel, using a Renault Fluence.. PBP discloses the cost and life of the battery. Cost is $14k, and life will be 180k miles.. battery should be a bit smaller than what the Leaf is using, made by Nissan and I think Israel has a hot climate.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/0 ... ease-deal/


batteries, made by AESC, 22kwh:

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/04 ... 00415.html

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Re: Nissan Exec Talks About the Batteries and It's Expected

Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:37 pm

Nice find, Herm! They don't mention the expected capacity fade, but it's doubtful that it would be 4% per year. It looks more like 2.5 or 3% again, which would amount to about 30% over the estimated lifetime of the battery (12 years).

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Re: Nissan Exec Talks About the Batteries and It's Expected

Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:54 am

leaflover wrote:Well... there are 48 modules how much are they @?
This article says that each module costs $662.

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Re: Nissan Exec Talks About the Batteries and It's Expected

Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:57 pm

Volusiano wrote:
leaflover wrote:Well... there are 48 modules how much are they @?
This article says that each module costs $662.


at the dealership parts department, they tend to charge a bit more.

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Re: Nissan Exec Talks About the Batteries and It's Expected

Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:26 pm

Herm wrote:
Volusiano wrote:
leaflover wrote:Well... there are 48 modules how much are they @?
This article says that each module costs $662.

at the dealership parts department, they tend to charge a bit more.

Let's hope that *is* the dealer price. If not, that's a wholesale cost of $31,000 for the battery pack on a $35,000 car!

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Re: Nissan Exec Talks About the Batteries and It's Expected

Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:33 pm

GeekEV wrote:Let's hope that *is* the dealer price. If not, that's a wholesale cost of $31,000 for the battery pack on a $35,000 car!


If you buy a convetional engine from the dealer by buying all the individual components separately, it will cost a small fortune. As an assembly its only outrageous. My guess is that packs will be cheaper than buying 48 separate modules. Nissan are tight lipped about the cost of a whole battery pack, if someone damages a pack in a wreck then the cost should become apparent at that time.
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Re: Nissan Exec Talks About the Batteries and It's Expected

Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:32 pm

Supposedly OEM cost for a 4 cylinder engine is only about $400.

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Re: Nissan Exec Talks About the Batteries and It's Expected

Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:15 pm

GeekEV wrote:Let's hope that *is* the dealer price. If not, that's a wholesale cost of $31,000 for the battery pack on a $35,000 car!


How else would Nissan sell you a part to repair your car?.. thru the dealership auto parts dept..

This is the original article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/new ... harge.html

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