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Re: CHAdeMO QCs 3533. Japan 1,967 Europe 1000 USA 554 Others

Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:47 pm

cwerdna wrote:Is this thread still alive? Right now http://www.chademo.com/ says:
The number of CHAdeMO DC Quick chargers installed up to today is 4241.
-- (Japan 2129 Europe 1327 USA 731 Others 54) last update 2014.10.07

I suppose it's technically still alive, but really, how many people care about the number of chargers of any given type on another continent that they'll never use? FWIW, Tesla's Sc count has almost certainy passed the CHAdeMo count in the U.S. now, as they're up to 748 as of Friday. Just for completeness, there are now 19 CCS listed on Plugshare in California including 11 in SoCal, although some of them are still 'coming soon'; when will people stop posting these?
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Re: CHAdeMO QCs 3533. Japan 1,967 Europe 1000 USA 554 Others

Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:51 pm

GRA wrote:Just for completeness, there are now 19 CCS listed on Plugshare in California including 11 in SoCal, although some of them are still 'coming soon'; when will people stop posting these?

There is viewtopic.php?f=9&t=11679 for Frankenplug.

Yeah... gotta love those "coming soon" as well as the totally bogus sites like http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/56874. :roll:

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Re: CHAdeMO QCs 3533. Japan 1,967 Europe 1000 USA 554 Others

Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:09 am

cwerdna wrote:Is this thread still alive? Right now http://www.chademo.com/ says:
The number of CHAdeMO DC Quick chargers installed up to today is 4241.
-- (Japan 2129 Europe 1327 USA 731 Others 54) last update 2014.10.07


Yes, and I have updated the title.

There have been changes to the two sources I used 2+ years ago, when the thread started.

CHAdeMO now is displaying plugshare (North American) results (pre-filtered) at its site.

Direct link:

http://www.chademo.com/wp/usmap/

And someone at plugshare or CHAdeMO seems to have weeded most of the false CHAdeMO reports that used to plague plugshare. At least there are none I am aware of in Central and Northern CA, though permanently non-functional sites (Fairfield) are still shown.

The AFDC map now lists Tesla sites, with no way (?) to filter, so its pretty much useless.

http://www.afdc.energy.gov/locator/stat ... us_miles=5

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I suppose it's technically still alive, but really, how many people care about the number of chargers of any given type on another continent that they'll never use?...


Well, the fact that today there is one world-wide DC charging standard infrastructure open to all Vehicle manufactures and EV drivers, just might be of interest to some...

Japan site map here:

http://www.chademo.com/wp/jpmap/

And Europe and the rest of the world map here:

https://maps.google.fr/maps?q=http://ww ... dg=feature

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FWIW, Tesla's Sc count has almost certainy passed the CHAdeMo count in the U.S. now, as they're up to 748 as of Friday...


Unfortunately, useless to all but drivers of Tesla S (and its derivatives).

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Just for completeness, there are now 19 CCS listed on Plugshare in California including 11 in SoCal, although some of them are still 'coming soon'; when will people stop posting these?


Without a significant paying customer base, due to the tiny number of CCS capable vehicles planned for sale in the USA, I don't see a likely path for CCS to move beyond the current government mandates, subsidies, and private charitable efforts (well done, KIA) on a path to a dependable nationwide infrastructure.
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Re: CHAdeMO QCs 3533. Japan 1,967 Europe 1000 USA 554 Others

Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:48 am

edatoakrun wrote:
cwerdna wrote:Is this thread still alive? Right now http://www.chademo.com/ says:
The number of CHAdeMO DC Quick chargers installed up to today is 4241.
-- (Japan 2129 Europe 1327 USA 731 Others 54) last update 2014.10.07

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GRA wrote:I suppose it's technically still alive, but really, how many people care about the number of chargers of any given type on another continent that they'll never use?...

Well, the fact that today there is one world-wide DC charging standard infrastructure open to all Vehicle manufactures and EV drivers, just might be of interest to some...

Interest, sure. Importance, no, except for the minimal number of people who might have a need to ship their PEV overseas. I'd think shipping cost and customs hassle would make this not worth the trouble for anything not a Tesla S/X - people will just buy/lease something local.


edatoakrun wrote:
GRA wrote:FWIW, Tesla's SC count has almost certainly passed the CHAdeMO count in the U.S. now, as they're up to 748 as of Friday...

Unfortunately, useless to all but drivers of Tesla S (and its derivatives).

Which make up a fairly large % of the total BEVs in the U.S., and all the BEVs that are realistically practical for at least shorter road trips. Once Model 3 arrives (assuming it does), Tesla will have a charging infrastructure that is so far in advance of everyone else, there's really no comparison. So much of CHAdeMO is in the wrong place, broken/unreliable or has limited accessibility that in effect they'll have to start over from scratch. Hopefully CCS won't make the same mistakes, and at least in California they are generally not at dealers (Kia aside, and kudos to them for realizing that boosting EVs in general raises all boats). They do need to do more multiple installs at each location; I think there's only one or two sites now with 2 CCS/CHAdeMO.


edatoakrun wrote:
GRA wrote:Just for completeness, there are now 19 CCS listed on Plugshare in California including 11 in SoCal, although some of them are still 'coming soon'; when will people stop posting these?

Without a significant paying customer base, due to the tiny number of CCS capable vehicles planned for sale in the USA, I don't see a likely path for CCS to move beyond the current government mandates, subsidies, and private charitable efforts (well done, KIA) on a path to a dependable nationwide infrastructure.

Guess we'll have to wait and see, now that we're getting more cars that can use it. The European manufacturers are certainly supporting CCS-2 there, judging by today's ievs.com article:

CCS Charger Installs Surpass 500 In Europe

http://insideevs.com/ccs-charger-instal ... 00-europe/

This quote in particular stands out:

“With today’s update the CCS charger count on http://ccs-map.eu/ for Europe is over 500! 400 was crossed September 25th and less than a month later another 100 were added.”

This is Tesla SC deployment speed. Edit: This GCR article has an intriguing bit of rumor/news re CCS:

Ford Can Design Tesla-Like Electric Car, CEO Says; Does Higher-Power Charging Push Mean It May?

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/109 ... ean-it-may
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Re: CHAdeMO QCs 4241. Japan 2129 Europe 1327 USA 731 Others

Sat Dec 06, 2014 12:50 pm

The number of CHAdeMO DC Quick chargers installed up to today is 4254.
-- (Japan 2129 Europe 1327 USA 744 Others 54) last update 2014.11.05

http://www.chademo.com/

A few more USA DCs in this update.

More importantly, something that looks like the first real public Charge station in the USA is now operational (?) near Las Vegas.

Four DCs, no waiting...

http://www.plugshare.com/?location=55872

Can someone please check it out and post the details?

I expect we'll see a dozen or more DC plugs at many large public stations along major freeways in BEV-intensive states before the decade is out.

Too bad Nissan USA has done so little (yet) to help reach that reality.
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Re: CHAdeMO QCs 4241. Japan 2129 Europe 1327 USA 731 Others

Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:08 pm

edatoakrun wrote:More importantly, something that looks like the first real public Charge station in the USA is now operational (?) near Las Vegas.
Four DCs, no waiting...
http://www.plugshare.com/?location=55872

Assuming this is actually available (there's one positive PlugShare comment), this would be quite a step forward for CHAdeMO deployments. Too bad it's not closer to I-15, however.

Looking at PlugShare, I just noticed a standalone solar-powered CHAdeMO charger in Joshua Tree. It only works when the sun is shining! Impressive.
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Re: CHAdeMO QCs 5010. Japan 2819 Europe 1327 USA 810 Others

Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:13 am

The number of CHAdeMO DC Quick chargers installed up to today is 5010.
-- (Japan 2819 Europe 1327 USA 810 Others 54) last update 2015.01.06

http://www.chademo.com/

Future projections, reported by InsideEVs:

...Nissan sent us an update on the status (and future) of CHAdeMO fast chargers in the U.S. Here are the highlights:

Timeline of (CHAdeMO) quick charging rollout...

- April 1, 2015: 1,100 quick chargers expected nationwide.

- April 1, 2016: 1,700 quick chargers projected...

http://insideevs.com/nissan-april-2015- ... tionwide/#

Latest news from Europe suggests we are well on our way to CHAdeMO becoming the single world public DC standard, with the two regional standards in Europe And the USA (the two AC/DC combi-plugs) requiring two plug designs at every public DC charge station, to insure compatibility.

...We are pleased to inform you that CHAdeMO protocol is now officially recognised as a European (EN) charging technology standard by CENELEC*, a European official standardisation organisation.

On December 31, 2014, the outstanding standard on DC fast charging connectors (EN 62196-3) was published on the CENELEC national committees' websites. This completes the set of technical standards that define DC fast charging, together with previously approved DC fast charging system standards: one that defines the requirements for DC chargers and for the control communication between a DC fast charger and an EV (EN 61851-23), as well as the other providing definitions of charger-EV digital communication (EN 61851-24). The recognitions of these 3 standards make CHAdeMO an EU technical DC charging standard along with Combo2, whose connectors were also included in EN 62196-3.

This shall endorse and reinforce the current market trend of equipping fast chargers with both CHAdeMO and Combo2 connectors, the two EN fast charging standards designated by CENELEC...

http://www.chademo.com/wp/wp-content/up ... 01_05.html

...EU is accelerating its fast charger network installation. With the EU Directive embracing multistandard
fast charging coming into force on 28 October 2014, installation of “fast chargers for all” is literally charging up.
In October 2013, we have reported about the approval of a €7,3 million charging infrastructure project across the
U.K. and Ireland. Named the RCN (Rapid Charging Network) project, they are speeding up for the completion of
the 74-charger network. This was the first of the multi-standard, multi-country charging infrastructure project
supported by the EU, together with four automakers that selected different protocols of fast charging for their
EVs: BMW, Nissan, Renault, and Volkswagen...

http://www.chademo.com/wp/wp-content/up ... ojects.pdf
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Re: CHAdeMO QCs 5010. Japan 2819 Europe 1327 USA 810 Others

Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:08 pm

Meanwhile, the total of CCS-2 in Europe has topped 700: http://ccs-map.eu/, over 600 of which have 24/7 accessibility, and both VW and BMW say that they are going to be putting in CCS-1 in the U.S. in a big way starting this year. BMW's announcement of 2015 being the 'infrastructure year' was about a month ago IIRR, and VW/BMW just announced this today, via GCR:
BMW, VW, And ChargePoint To Build 100 CCS Fast-Charging Sites For Electric Cars
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/109 ... ctric-cars

ievs.com has the same story, but more detail on the locations, basically both coasts: http://insideevs.com/bmw-ccs-rollout/

I can't find it at the moment, but VW just recently said they would be putting CCS at their dealerships, as well as looking to put them at other locations (as above).
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Re: CHAdeMO QCs 5010. Japan 2819 Europe 1327 USA 810 Others

Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:14 pm

The Chronicle reports that BMW and VW are funding Chargepoint to install 100 quick chargers spaced no more than 50 miles apart to link San Diego to Portland, and Washington D.C. to Boston along interstate highways. Although the article says nothing about charger standards I'd expect that BMW and VW would require CCS (Frankenplug) connectors. Does anyone know if these will be dual standard stations with CCS and CHAdeMO?

http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/High-speed-electric-car-chargers-to-link-San-6031240.php

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Re: CHAdeMO QCs 5010. Japan 2819 Europe 1327 USA 810 Others

Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:32 pm

walterbays wrote:The Chronicle reports that BMW and VW are funding Chargepoint to install 100 quick chargers spaced no more than 50 miles apart to link San Diego to Portland, and Washington D.C. to Boston along interstate highways. Although the article says nothing about charger standards I'd expect that BMW and VW would require CCS (Frankenplug) connectors. Does anyone know if these will be dual standard stations with CCS and CHAdeMO?

http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/High-speed-electric-car-chargers-to-link-San-6031240.php


Sounds to me like most or all will have CHAdeMO or dual standard ~50 kW chargers.

On-topic thread with link to ChargePoint PR release:

ChargePoint DC Charge Corridors on the East and West Coasts

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=18982
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