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Re: CHAdeMO QCs 5010. Japan 2819 Europe 1327 USA 810 Others

Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:36 pm

They are Marriot and Courtyard hotels.. I finally figured out who is behind these installs, and it is the state of Virginia through the Virginia Clean Cities program. Come to find out through their site here: http://pluginsites.org/ that these new ones will be operational by the 31st, and that there is even some not listed on Plugshare. Most importantly to me they are FINALLY installing a charger on Naval Station Norfolk at the NEX, and a Chademo charger to boot! Buying my lease out just keeps getting better and better everyday. Was beginning to doubt I would make the warranty replacement window to get a lizard battery, but with all these new Chademo's going in will see what happens. Want to do the Norfolk to Washington D.C. at least once with it once all the Chademo's go in just to say I did it once. Norfolk to Richmond will be the first test here in a couple months.
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Re: CHAdeMO QCs 8549. Japan 5418 Europe 1838 USA 1238 Others

Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:54 pm

The number of CHAdeMO DC Quick chargers installed up to today is 8549.
-- (Japan 5418 Europe 1838 USA 1238 Others 55) last update 2015.05.31

http://www.chademo.com/

I expect BEVs with CHAdeMO ports in the USA today probably outnumber CCS by ~ten-to-one, just as they do worldwide:

The global market for EV chargers is set to grow from about one million units in 2014 to more than 12.7 million units in 2020, according to a new EV Charging Infrastructure report by IHS Automotive.

IHS expects public charging to be a small but important part of the picture. In 2020, approximately 10% of EV charging stations will be public or semi-public, according to the report.

According to IHS, about 7% of the world’s EVs use the CCS charging system, and about 65% use the CHAdeMO standard. This is expected to gradually evolve into a more even split...

http://chargedevs.com/newswire/new-repo ... d-by-2020/

So I think that any public DC station in the USA for the foreseeable future will have at least as many CHAdeMO plugs as CCS.

And for most American BEV drivers, A CHAdeMO port will remain a considerable advantage over a CCS port, for a very long time to come, due to the large lead in existing chargers.

BTW, I think it's fair to say anecdotal evidence may show that DC chargers using the CCS standard (where it exists) may be even less reliable than CHAdeMO:

NRG EvGo SAE Combo chargers DO NOT WORK!
http://www.mychevysparkev.com/forum/vie ... f=7&t=3971

It's too early to conclude this is (as I suspect it might be) because because the CCS J1772-with-add-on-DC may be found to have inherent disadvantages over the CHAdeMO dedicated DC design.
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Re: CHAdeMO QCs 8549. Japan 5418 Europe 1838 USA 1238 Others

Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:29 pm

edatoakrun wrote:BTW, I think it's fair to say anecdotal evidence may show that DC chargers using the CCS standard (where it exists) may be even less reliable than CHAdeMO:

NRG EvGo SAE Combo chargers DO NOT WORK!
http://www.mychevysparkev.com/forum/vie ... f=7&t=3971

It's too early to conclude this is (as I suspect it might be) because because the CCS J1772-with-add-on-DC may be found to have inherent disadvantages over the CHAdeMO dedicated DC design.


I've read a few comments on Plugshare that the CCS/Spark issue is with the car, not the standard or the charger. There is supposedly a GM service bulletin to file down part of the inlet on the car side to ensure proper connection with the CCS charger plug.

I have a CHAdeMO car but CCS sure is a lot more elegant. That CHAdeMO connector is a monstrous Rube Goldberg contraption that even after dozens of QCs I have difficulty operating smoothly.

In the US at least I think one must omit Nissan dealer QC installations as far as a general tally for broader adoption goes. A few dealers are welcome to non-Leafs but by and large the things are either overheating, blocked with Titans and Altimas, otherwise broken, and/or the dealer is hostile towards non-Nissans or even Nissans not purchased at that facility.

At least in my area anywhere that isn't a Nissan dealer has both CCS and CHAdeMO at this point and that seems to be the trend. Given similar availability I'd greatly prefer a CCS connector.
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Re: CHAdeMO QCs 8549. Japan 5418 Europe 1838 USA 1238 Others

Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:07 am

mtndrew1 wrote:...At least in my area anywhere that isn't a Nissan dealer has both CCS and CHAdeMO at this point and that seems to be the trend...

Looks like there are now ~3 times as many CHAdeMO Sites as CCS in the greater LA area, which happens to be the most heavily CCS-subsidized region in the world.

If you ever take your Soul on a trip outside that area, you will probably be much more happy you don't have CCS.

Remember also, that even at those EVgo (CA mandated) LA basin CCS sites, there are generally half as many Dual DC as CHAdeMO only chargers, increasing the drivers probability of having to wait.

The question, is whether CCS equipped cars will eventually be produced in numbers similar to CHAdeMO capable BEVs/PHEVs, which will be required before non-mandated charge sites decide to install equal numbers of plugs for each standard.

I think this will probably occur, sooner or later.

But in the meantime, you are obviously better off with a CHAdeMO-capable BEV/PHEV.

Sorry you have so much difficulty plugging in your Soul.

My first DC of on trip almost always follows at least one previous multi-hour L2 charge, so it has never seemed a particularly arduous task, to me...
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Re: CHAdeMO QCs 8549. Japan 5418 Europe 1838 USA 1238 Others

Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:05 am

I didn't say it was arduous, I said it was difficult. And it is. Ultimately it's simply a terrible interface.

At the end of a CHAdeMO charge, after stopping the charger, you push the illuminated button on top (only when it's green!) and then that'll allow you to slide back a lever guard underneath the damn connector (what the hell is that thing for anyway?!) then you can unclamp the giant lever (what's THAT for?) which will then allow you to push the button on top again to free the medieval fire hose from the vehicle. If you're lucky.

CCS, stop the session, push the button on top of the connector just like J1772.

Tesla, like all things EV it seems, nails it. No need to stop the session, just press the button on the (slim, beautiful) connector and remove the connector from the car. The end.

As far as sales rates, in May it was ~1500 CCS cars vs. ~2100 CHAdeMO cars in the US. The standards are reaching parity and, all things being equal, I'd much rather deal with a CCS connector than CHAdeMO.

You're right, at the moment there's a mild advantage in having a CHAdeMO car in LA (when ignoring broken/hostile Nissan dealers) but CCS is spreading like wildfire. I suspect by the time my lease is up in 2017 there will be little to no advantage to having a CHAdeMO car in LA as far as infrastructure goes.
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Re: CHAdeMO QCs 8549. Japan 5418 Europe 1838 USA 1238 Others

Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:07 am

Agreed. I can't think of a worse mechanical design or interface for a charging station...

mtndrew1 wrote:I didn't say it was arduous, I said it was difficult. And it is. Ultimately it's simply a terrible interface.
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Re: CHAdeMO QCs 8549. Japan 5418 Europe 1838 USA 1238 Others

Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:24 pm

I actually don't have the energy to point out, yet again, that the CHAdeMO protocol is NOT the crazy Yazaki plug that everybody associates with CHAdeMO:

http://www.chademo.com/wp/chademo-connectors/

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Re: CHAdeMO QCs 8549. Japan 5418 Europe 1838 USA 1238 Others

Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:33 pm

TonyWilliams wrote:I actually don't have the energy to point out, yet again, that the CHAdeMO protocol is NOT the crazy Yazaki plug that everybody associates with CHAdeMO:

http://www.chademo.com/wp/chademo-connectors/


Be that as it may, it's what most US CHAdeMO users experience and it's awful.

Edit: Good lord! I looked at your link and there are TWELVE different CHAdeMO connectors! Twelve! They should add doing the hokey-pokey at the end of the charge session as part of the disconnect process just to put a cherry on top. Design by committee at is finest.
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Re: CHAdeMO QCs 8549. Japan 5418 Europe 1838 USA 1238 Others

Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:39 pm

mtndrew1 wrote:
TonyWilliams wrote:I actually don't have the energy to point out, yet again, that the CHAdeMO protocol is NOT the crazy Yazaki plug that everybody associates with CHAdeMO:

http://www.chademo.com/wp/chademo-connectors/


Be that as it may, it's what most US CHAdeMO users experience and it's awful.

Edit: Good lord! I looked at your link and there are TWELVE different CHAdeMO connectors! Twelve! They should add doing the hokey-pokey at the end of the charge session as part of the disconnect process just to put a cherry on top. Design by committee at is finest.


No, there is a CHAdeMO standard that currently has twelve (or more) different choices of human interface. They ALL plug into the same CHAdeMO inlet.

Having choices is what a mature standard has. CCS has a REMA produced plug. That's it.

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Re: CHAdeMO QCs 8549. Japan 5418 Europe 1838 USA 1238 Others

Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:42 pm

TonyWilliams wrote:I actually don't have the energy to point out, yet again, that the CHAdeMO protocol is NOT the crazy Yazaki plug that everybody associates with CHAdeMO:

http://www.chademo.com/wp/chademo-connectors/



I imagine it's on the company who uses them on their machines/chargers, but not going to lie, it took me 15 mins to figure that HUNK OF JUNK out the first time I came across one ack
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