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Re: EVSE options for 2013+ Leafs

Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:51 pm

Thanks for all the insights. I went with a JuiceBox Pro 40amp. Aside from a good product, I just found that the team behind this product to be really easy to speak with and super knowledgable about all the options on the market. No hard sell. Let's see how it plays out...
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tomelectric
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Re: EVSE options for 2013+ Leafs

Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:53 pm

too bad the juice Box isn't UL listed. I'd be worried the damn thing would catch fire as it hasn't been tested. It's a shame Amazon lets these fly by night companies like Jukebox sell their non-listed product to consumers that don't know any better. There are a few other products on amazon.com that also are not UL listed and do not meet the USA safety standards. I know what it takes to get these devices listed, you are buying a short cut! I wouldn't want the damn think charging high current in my garage.

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Re: EVSE options for 2013+ Leafs

Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:08 pm

tomelectric wrote:too bad the juice Box isn't UL listed. I'd be worried the damn thing would catch fire as it hasn't been tested. It's a shame Amazon lets these fly by night companies like Jukebox sell their non-listed product to consumers that don't know any better. There are a few other products on amazon.com that also are not UL listed and do not meet the USA safety standards. I know what it takes to get these devices listed, you are buying a short cut! I wouldn't want the damn think charging high current in my garage.

You actually joined up just to post that? Sounds like someone has an ax to grind.
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Re: EVSE options for 2013+ Leafs

Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:48 am

davewill wrote:
tomelectric wrote:too bad the juice Box isn't UL listed. I'd be worried the damn thing would catch fire as it hasn't been tested. It's a shame Amazon lets these fly by night companies like Jukebox sell their non-listed product to consumers that don't know any better. There are a few other products on amazon.com that also are not UL listed and do not meet the USA safety standards. I know what it takes to get these devices listed, you are buying a short cut! I wouldn't want the damn think charging high current in my garage.

You actually joined up just to post that? Sounds like someone has an ax to grind.

That or more than likely......someone with an agenda..... :idea:
IMO UL listing is somewhat extortion money, you pay someone a good amount of money and they bless your product. Devices like Juicebox, open source and even Ebusbar are often times made to UL specs(good idea as oftentimes UL spec is a good benchmark) but they don't pay the extortion money. Listen, outside the US these devices are sold to people all over the world and work just fine, why is it only in the US that they need UL certification to work correctly.....
I've seen UL listed devices fail and cause issues like non UL devices, after all wasn't the original GE Wattmeiser?? UL listed and didn't it cause serious issues? I'm not suggesting purchasing any POS Chinese EVSE but as long as it's made decently and seems to have good reviews I'm willing to forgo the UL blessing. Come to think of it all 4 of my EVSE's lack UL listing(Juicebox, Ebusbar and 2 EVSEupgrade'd units) and I never have a issue with any of them on either of my Leafs, of course YMMV ;)
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Re: EVSE options for 2013+ Leafs

Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:16 am

jjeff wrote:IMO UL listing is somewhat extortion money, you pay someone a good amount of money and they bless your product. Devices like Juicebox, open source and even Ebusbar are often times made to UL specs(good idea as oftentimes UL spec is a good benchmark) but they don't pay the extortion money. Listen, outside the US these devices are sold to people all over the world and work just fine, why is it only in the US that they need UL certification to work correctly.....
I've seen UL listed devices fail and cause issues like non UL devices, after all wasn't the original GE Wattmeiser?? UL listed and didn't it cause serious issues? I'm not suggesting purchasing any POS Chinese EVSE but as long as it's made decently and seems to have good reviews I'm willing to forgo the UL blessing. Come to think of it all 4 of my EVSE's lack UL listing(Juicebox, Ebusbar and 2 EVSEupgrade'd units) and I never have a issue with any of them on either of my Leafs, of course YMMV ;)


+1

When I was looking for an EVSE and talking to folks here, I could totally see that there are certain users who would bash JuiceBox to no end as it lacked UL Listing. I wondered if they were sales rep from other "UL Listed manufacturer". I was scared into insurance company denying my claims etc. and I did call my insurance agent only for him to laugh at me. While UL or any other NRTL approval/listing assures some quality check, if you have an absolutely positive feedback about the product there's nothing to worry about. This thing is built like a tank and they have a team of knowledgeable staff to support it.

I am grateful to users who provided detailed info on this product. One local JuiceBox owner actually demo'ed the unit to me. I am glad that I chose to go with JuiceBox Pro. Those features are hard to beat at that price. Great product, Great value.
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Re: EVSE options for 2013+ Leafs

Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:48 am

Count me as another satisfied JuiceBox Pro customer. I've had the unit for a year now and would buy it again.

On the downside, shipping and delivery were slow, and they sent it with Direct Signature required (grr!). By the time I got to the door, the UPS guy was already gone, and I couldn't even sign the little door tag requesting that they just leave it the next day.

I didn't have good WiFi service in my garage, so I had to install an external antenna and a signal booster in order to make the tracking and remote control functions work reliably -- using a little more power to see how much power I'm saving.

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Re: EVSE options for 2013+ Leafs

Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:59 am

The Tesla UMC, which is installed in every Tesla car sold, is not UL listed. By extension, our JESLA J1772 40 amp charger is not UL listed (based on the Tesla UMC).

Neither are any of our products that we sell. I take great exception to any blowhard suggesting our products are not safe or that we cut some safety standards. The only EV charging product that I've had dangerous issues with was that UL listed Blink, which melted itself to my car.

That's not to say that there isn't dangerous stuff out there. There absolutely is. But, UL isn't the magic savior that some want to believe.

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Re: EVSE options for 2013+ Leafs

Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:52 am

I am of the opinion that there is no magic in any of the car chargers. You plug them in, and the car tells them when to turn off.

Considering how many choices we have in charging stations, I will not buy a product that is not UL listed, because we live in America, and that is how we do it. An those who say that UL listing is just "extortion money" are doing the same logic like those who say, "Why get married.... It is just a piece of paper". Wrong. It assures that corners were not cut.. I bought a non-UL listed extension cord at a dollar store, and it got HOT when I plugged in a lamp!! I threw it out...

If you buy a NON _UL listed charger, for a $500 box, are you willing to risk a $30K automobile, and possible a fire in your home? If for some fluke it went on fire, there are chances that your fire insurance would not pay because it was not UL Listed.

You people who love the "Juice BOX" must be enamored with its cool name, because there is no way that you can measure its performance from any other charging station...

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Re: EVSE options for 2013+ Leafs

Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:46 am

powersurge wrote:...
If you buy a NON _UL listed charger, for a $500 box, are you willing to risk a $30K automobile, and possible a fire in your home? If for some fluke it went on fire, there are chances that your fire insurance would not pay because it was not UL Listed.

You people who love the "Juice BOX" must be enamored with its cool name, because there is no way that you can measure its performance from any other charging station...

Wow, good thing you posted. I had no idea that Tesla was putting all their customers at risk by not UL listing their mobile connector. :roll:

I ordered a JuicePlug in order to get power logging and timer functions that the dumb EVSE my wife's car has doesn't offer. Later on, I expect to be able to use it to load share between a JuiceBox and my Blink. What's that? Your EVSE doesn't have those features? What a surprise.

Look, it's fine if you don't like them and don't want one, and feel free to express your opinion on the available choices, but throwing FUD around is not all right.
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Re: EVSE options for 2013+ Leafs

Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:05 am

powersurge wrote:If you buy a NON _UL listed charger, for a $500 box, are you willing to risk a $30K automobile, and possible a fire in your home?


If there was any weight in this theory, the sleaze ball corporate lawyers would have sued pants off of Elon Musk for selling a 100K car with a non UL listed UMC that we all fondly call a "charger". Not everyone drinks the UL cool-aid which is just one of the many NRTL certifications. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationall ... boratories)

BTW, on this forum alone, there have been more issues reported with the UL Listed GE Durastation EVSE as compared to JuiceBox.

davewill wrote:...Look, it's fine if you don't like them and don't want one, and feel free to express your opinion on the available choices, but throwing FUD around is not all right.


+1
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