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I vote for a BEVx car, with a 24-30kwh battery (with an electric-only range > 60 miles) and a controllable gas generator, that can go 400 miles with a full charge and full tank of gas. On road trips, I could extend my range during pit stops by continuing to run the generator and, as needed, getting a quick-charge.

It seems like we could get there in the next 3-5 yrs.

I personally like the idea of a small gas generator that is rarely used, but available. I think we'll see cars with two battery capacity options and the option of gas generator compatable or gas henerator included.
 
My vote is for a $15,000 (US - after subsidies) EVx with a combination battery/propane generator to go 300+ miles of "reasonable" driving - with a 240 VAC split phase electrical power system, with a built in, on-grid style safety disconnect (and CO monitoring!) that I can "plug in" to my main home power panel and supply whole home power (up to 10,000 watts continuous). That I will buy, no question. I'll put in the 500 gallon propane tank myself.
 
Marktm said:
My vote is for a $15,000 (US - after subsidies) EVx with a combination battery/propane generator to go 300+ miles of "reasonable" driving - with a 240 VAC split phase electrical power system, with a built in, on-grid style safety disconnect (and CO monitoring!) that I can "plug in" to my main home power panel and supply whole home power (up to 10,000 watts continuous). That I will buy, no question. I'll put in the 500 gallon propane tank myself.

I'll just take the teleporter, thanks!
 
At that low price, and based on the compact Note, I'd suspect it may have both a fairly small battery capacity, and a relatively low kW generator.

My wild guess, ~24 kWh (total) capacity, with a ~12 kW generator...?

Nissan relegates the gas engine to charging the battery

Nissan Motor plans to roll out a new type of hybrid this autumn.

The Note, the automaker's popular gas-powered minicar, will get a hybrid sibling, but the gas engine will only be used to recharge the car's battery pack.

The wheels will only get power from the battery.

The Note hybrid will be the first model in Japan to operate this way.

The advanced power system increases fuel efficiency by 40%, which means the new Note will be Japan's most fuel efficient compact car.

It will get close to 40km per liter, outdistancing the 37km that Toyota Motor's hybrid Aqua goes on a liter of gas.

The sticker price will be around 2 million yen ($19,234), which puts the note in the same ballpark as gas-powered cars...
http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Nissan-relegates-the-gas-engine-to-charging-the-battery

If it's really due to hit the market in November, we should get more details soon.
 
A peek at the styling?? No additional tech info though:

http://www.greencarreports.com/news...ed-electric-nissan-note-to-launch-in-november

I guess it could upstage any new Leaf offerings with more "classic" styling and extended range, IF it's designed first as an EV and second with a reasonable extended range - 200 miles - using same 24/30 KWH battery packs with QC and 6KW L2 ??

Some tough decisions by manufacturers these days.
 
Marktm said:
That's just a recitation of the NAR article, with added speculation.

http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Nissan-relegates-the-gas-engine-to-charging-the-battery

We really still know next to nothing about the drivetrain, much less if it will be installed in a Note, or just be in another vehicle based on the same platform.

If Nissan actually has a vehicle using an entirely new drivetrain ready to be on dealer lots in Japan in just two months, it says a lot about Nissan's desire and ability to keep its future models, such as the next generation LEAF, under wraps.

Anyone who can read Japanese might be able to find some more clues in the article from January below, as mistranslated by Google...

Or "Notes EV" change the Nissan

Nissan Motor to add the electric vehicle (EV) specification also mainstay small car "notebook" this autumn...

This time, armed with new technology called "with a range extender EV", challenge the battleground in the refocus. New technology is likely to carry the advantage of the competition is as Nissan if Namame a new market. Notes EV might be a starting point for changing the flow of domestic sales.
https://newswitch.jp/p/3216
 
The car is a 1liter 3banger with a little over 7kwhr of battery.

If it can still get good fuel economy and range through efficiency and streamlining its a win in my book.

Lest we forget the 2000 Honda Insight converted to a bev hovers around 160wthr/mile at 65mph.

Lots of low hanging fruit
 
this is reported to be targeted to be equivalent price as Prius C and Fit hybrid. Which is achieved via Japanese subsidy for plugin vehicle. It is also reported that the batteries are from Panasonic. There is the supposition that it has both a turbo 1.2 3cyl and the LEAFs motor, but that seems a bit far fetched to me in terms of performance and cost.

FYI its worth, Prius, Prius C, Fit and Micra are the top 4 selling cars in Japan http://www.best-selling-cars.com/japan/2016-q1-japan-best-selling-car-brands-models/ If Nissan can bring out a plugin Note then that the Japanese equivalent of a plugin equivalent to America's top 4

This is seeming like a major vehicle for Nissan Japan.

Fit Hybrid 1,826,000 Yen
Aqua (Prius C) 1,761,000 Yen

so if it can be around 1,800,000 Yen after Japanese subsidy, then it will be a very compelling proposition.

I suppose that it would also be warmly received in UK/EU, particularly if it were made in UK/EU.

This is one size down from the LEAF class car. If Leaf is like the Sentra, then Note is like the Versa, (then below this is the Micra, then below the Micra are the Kei.)
 
rmay635703 said:
The car is a 1liter 3banger with a little over 7kwhr of battery.

If it can still get good fuel economy and range through efficiency and streamlining its a win in my book.

Lest we forget the 2000 Honda Insight converted to a bev hovers around 160wthr/mile at 65mph.

Lots of low hanging fruit

If so, apparently Nissan is blurring the lines of "range extended BEV" and "hybrid". With only 7kwh, it will be mostly ICE with "regen" - except for the shortest of commutes.
 
Marktm said:
If so, apparently Nissan is blurring the lines of "range extended BEV" and "hybrid". With only 7kwh, it will be mostly ICE with "regen" - except for the shortest of commutes.

I don't know, 7kw gives me 40 miles of range in my 2400lb Miles ZX40 minivan

At that range its no different than a Gen I volt, which for me has worked just fine.
 
I will have to dig, it was off several translated pages, some refer to a 1 liter some to a 1.2 liter Miller cycle, pages were relatively recent.
 
Photos of the new Note E-Power, one exterior and one under-the-hood, and photos of some Japanese docs posted here:

http://blog.livedoor.jp/ganbaremmc/archives/49610589.html

Translation of Japanese docs in photos required.

Anyone able to find the battery capacity or ICE output in KW?

The various schematics appears to show a three (or four, or both?) cylinder inline ICE, so not too promising, IMO.

Perhaps the red sections of what appears to be a drive cycle graph indicate when the ICE is in operation?
 
Without more photos, you can't even tell if it has only one (gas) fuel door, or also has a charge (and/or discharge) port.

Nissan Motor today revealed the 2017 Note, which marks the mid-life facelift of the current generation.

...the real star of the show is the new e-Power model. Described simply as a "hybrid," it's said to achieve an incredible 37.2 kilometers per liter on the Japanese driving cycle, which is equivalent to 2.69 l/100km for you metric fans, 87.4 mpg U.S. or 105 mpg UK.

Now, there's no way of telling how correct those numbers are for American or European driving cycles. However, Nissan doesn't say that the Note is the most efficient hybrid in Japan because it's probably a range-extended EV... allegedly...

Based on a brochure that's been leaked a few weeks ago, the Note e-Power is powered by EM57 electric motor located at the front axle. As for the range-extended part, this comes from a familiar HR12DE 1.2-liter three-cylinder petrol engine which charges the battery. It hasn't been launched yet, so all the tech details aren't clear...
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2017-nissan-note-e-power-hybrid-revealed-in-japan-does-27-l-100km-112415.html#

Any one able to watch the video and translate any more details?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1PpHxwPfm4
 
The more I squint at this photo:

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/ganbaremmc/imgs/1/f/1f302711.jpg

The less I see something that looks to me like the ~1.2 L 3 cylinder ICE that has been widely reported.

Anyone else see that in the photo?

And if not, what does that ICE look like to you?

Here's what a 1.7 L Versa looks like, for comparison.

~Same engine bay, but with far more familiar-looking contents...

http://images.newcars.com/images/car-pictures/original/2017-Nissan-Versa-Sedan-1.6-S-4dr-Sedan-Photo-2.png

And here's the 1.2 L 3 cylinder in a micra:

http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/1591010238346091600x1060.jpg?itok=I4XHGZL8

We may get a lot more details in just ~another day:

Of November 2, it will be announced on a certain bulletin board...
http://blog.livedoor.jp/ganbaremmc/archives/49610589.html
 
this looks a lot like a BMW i3, but without a plug

strict series hybrid, no direct connection from engine to wheels, but no plug!

but its all in Japanese, so i could be wrong, hopefully very wrong
 
http://newatlas.com/nissan-e-power-range-extender-powertrain/46244/

All it offers are clearer pictures but total fluff otherwise.

Might as well advertise a turbo encabulator.
 
It is a 1.3 litre, and NO CHARGE PORT???

Total fail, IMO, if it's only a superior (?) gas-fueled hybrid.

I want every battery (and every ICE) in every ELECTRIC vehicle I buy buy to have grid/home connectivity, so I can charge/discharge, and move MY electricity whenever and wherever I want to.

Nissan wants to sell me a car with an extremely efficient ~50 kW (?) generator, and not allow me use those kW for anything other than driving the car?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPSRE9e06wg

Are we so addicted to gasoline we actually want our ELECTRIC cars to use it as the sole source of energy?

...The e-POWER system allows you to enjoy all the benefits of an EV without having to worry about charging the battery....

Nissan is committed to developing electric-powered powertrains that use various fuels to cater to the different requirements of the world's markets. e-POWER is but one example of that quest and will strengthen Nissan's lineup of electric-powered powertrains. Nissan is also conducting research and development of the SOFC (Solid Oxide Fuel Cell) fuel-cell vehicle, and will continue to introduce innovative new products into various areas and promote the worldwide use of EVs...
https://newsroom.nissan-global.com/releases/161102-02-e
 
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