WetEV wrote: GRA wrote:
Stoaty wrote:That's what some of us have been saying for the last 372 pages of this thread. Now confirmed. In other news, it is now believed the sun will rise in the East tomorrow and water is wet. No matter how much you keep pushing FCEV for a task for which they are not competitive.
Uh, competitive how?
Economics. Convenience for more people. FCEVs lose on both, except for the long range use case, where gasoline is and will be the winner for a long time (and biofuels are more likely to take over than hydrogen).
The only way FCEVs can survive is with massive subsidies. These are looking more time limited now...
Convenience for more people only applies in the U.S. and a few other countries with a majority of the population living in detached, single family homes with dedicated parking/garages with electricity. As has been pointed out many times, the majority of the world's urban population, including in those parts of the world which will see the greatest growth in vehicle use over the next several decades, doesn't live like this, and it will take many decades to provide charging for them.
As for massive subsidies, sure, FCEVs need them now. If the federal tax credit gets repealed, we'll see if PEVs can survive in this country without them - I think PHEVs priced like the Prius Prime can, but am not sure about the Bolt, and to date public for-profit charging remains totally dependent on subsidies just as H2 fueling stations are. The difference is there doesn't seem to be a lot more improvement that can be made in reducing the cost of electricity, while H2 stations still have a lot of room for cost reduction in both the fuel and the equipment, and at current gas prices an HEV or even a high mpg ICE is cheaper to fuel than a BEV is, if you can't charge using low cost electricity at home. H2, of course, is completely non-competitive on price at the moment.
Personally, I won't be too bothered if the tax credits go away, as I think it's time for PEVs to show if they can compete head-to-head. FCEVs may well be a casualty if the credits disappear, but that's okay if at least one ZEV tech can make it on its own.