In more remote areas they are often further apart than desirable, as there are often few options for where to put them. An example is the current expansion on I-10 in West Texas, where the next one west of Ft. Stockton will be in Van Horn (120 miles), despite the 80 mph speed limits, sometimes high winds, 1,500' climb (net gain a little over 1kft.) and often high temps requiring heavy A/C use. The only intermediate town (with a restaurant) is Balmorhea, 54 miles from Ft. Stockton.scottf200 said:
Yes. Some of the Supercharger legs I have done include Tremonton UT to Twin Falls ID at 148 miles; Kingman AZ to Flagstaff AZ at 147 miles plus 3500 feet of elevation gain; Needles CA to Barstow CA, 147 miles plus 1860 feet of elevation gain plus possible headwinds; El Centro CA to San Diego CA 122 miles plus 4000+ feet of elevation gain and very strong headwinds until one gets over the Laguna Mountains. I expect that some of those will get fill-in Supercharger sites eventually but for now they take some planning and care to complete, especially in an S60.GRA said:
A lot of the early routes were essentially spaced for S85s (remember when Elon admitted that they needed to be no more than 140 miles apart instead of 200 in Le Affaire Broder?), with little thought given to S60s or Model 3s with or w/o degradation. Infill has taken place in some areas and the newer sites normally have shorter spacing, but especially out west there's still a lot that needs to be done. An SC in Burley or Heyburn, ID is needed to shorten the I-84 leg to Tremonton; there needs to be one in Ash Fork, Williams or Seligman to shorten the Kingman - Flagstaff leg (and make eastbound travel to Grand Canyon South Rim easier), etc. At roughly one hour spacing one SC can be skipped in good conditions by S60s etc., and two by S85+s. Once they're spaced no more than 1/2 hour apart they'll be comparable to gas stations, if not in refueling time.dgpcolorado said:
Before I forget, one minor milestone to note: Santa Ana, CA, which opened on Dec. 6th, was the 50th SC in California. Two or three years ago I figured out that 50 appropriately placed SCs would allow all Model S's to reach 90% of the state with reasonable convenience; 60 would allow 100% of the state's paved roads to be used. At somewhere between 60 and 100 SCs you'd reach the point where you could access 100% of the state under convenient, no-worries conditions, and everything over that just boosted capacity.abasile said:
Yes, we've visited the Mojave National Preserve a couple of times, including Hole In The Wall Campground and Mitchell Caverns (before it closed in 2011, hopefully being reopened before long). I'd like to explore more, particularly some of the hiking trails such as Teutonia Peak (5755' / 1754m) which is reported to have the highest concentration of Joshua Trees in the world.GRA said:
IMO Baker would have been a better site than Primm for the first infill SC between Barstow and L.V. Primm's too close to Vegas (~43 miles; Baker's 69 miles from Barstow SC) for people coming back to gain much charge, and is before the big climb to the pass where the headwinds are blowing the strongest. Baker's also the junction for the east side route into Death Valley. Having them in both locations would be near ideal. OTOH, considering solely the Barstow - L.V. leg, probably the best place for a single infill SC would have been at the Shell station at Cima Rd. (94 miles from Barstow SC, and about 6-8 miles west of the highest point). As people only need to add 5-10 minutes of charge to reach either end from here, the lack of a restaurant wouldn't be a big deal.abasile said:
Yes, that's great news! CHAdeMO/CCS in Baker by June 2017. Unless Tesla installs an SC in Baker by late 2017 (the next cool season, when visiting Death Valley makes sense) we may find ourselves borrowing a Tesla CHAdeMO adapter for use in Baker.GRA said:
"most bays", "basically deserted"... nice crisp policyRebel44 said:
LTLFTcomposite said:
Without checking every dot, on a quick look it appears to be mainly the 2016 map retitled, i.e. I-10/20, I-40, I-80, I-94, I-25, I-29 from I-94 to Winnipeg etc. all completed, plus some infill and a little bit of off-interstate expansion - looks like Alamosa and Salida on U.S. 285 in Colorado, plus maybe Walsenburg on I-25, and Kremmling on U.S. 40. Glacier will finally be semi-accessible, with an SC in the Kalispell - W. Glacier area (plus the three on I-25 in Helena, Great Falls and Shelby that were on the 2016 map), and Kayenta has also rolled over. Looks like there may be one coming around Payson, AZ too - I would have thought Globe and Show Low would also show up around the same time.Zythryn said:
GRA said:
Nah, that's just I-94 from Billings to Fargo, which was on the '2016' (and '2015') maps. As I've been saying for the past couple of years that that section of I-94 should be the very last primary interstate in the contiguous 48 to be completed, I look forward to it making a return appearance on the '2018' map!Zythryn said:
Those two (the one N. of Des Moines looks like Ames) plus the one I'm guessing will be in Bethany, IA make more sense than I-94. Although if there were anything other than a Flying J in the vicinity of I-35 and U.S. 20, that would be a better choice than Ames. Actually, that's only 2 miles north of the U.S. 20 intersection, so it'd still be a better choice .Zythryn said:
Goals are great, and I look forward to the day when Tesla achieves more than 80% of theirs. At least they're over 70% now.Zythryn said: