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Musk is meeting with Trump again today. Maybe he can set him straight.
rmay635703 said:I wonder what the VW settlement money will end up going for?
Was supposed to build a nationwide quick charge network, maybe VW diesels will come back?
powersurge said:I think that many are mistakenly equating that if Trump (I will call it the government), may relax some requirements for coal-based electrical production, the proliferation of electric cars will be negatively affected. Yes, while increased coal may be polluting, the presence of the EV is REALLY NOT TRYING TO STOP GLOBAL WARMING...
We are naïve to think that we are saving the environment with our Leafs... Do you think that even 1/2 million EVs on the road is going to stop polar ice from thawing?? NO. The true enemy of the environment are the developing third world countries that are becoming more affluent, like China, India, Korea, and many other small countries. Their population is wanting a piece of the American Pie - - Every driveway has a car. PLUS there are no environmental laws in these countries. So for every Leaf we buy, there are 100 new cars that are being driven in these countries.
In my opinion if the government increases coal use, we will have more jobs, rely less on foreign oil to power electrical plants, and make more electricity to charge our EV cars. After all, I have a Leaf NOT for the environment, but for: a) saving my driving dollars, and 2) Reduce the use of depleting oil supplies of our country and our planet. When the oil runs out, we will be back to horses and steam locomotives using.... COAL..
downeykp said:The bulk of the power generated in Hawaii does indeed come from oil. There is very little hydro power a little geothermal power and some wind generation. Household solar is big and getting bigger.
Like this?webeleafowners said:downeykp said:The bulk of the power generated in Hawaii does indeed come from oil. There is very little hydro power a little geothermal power and some wind generation. Household solar is big and getting bigger.
Yah islands can be tricky for power. However I bet within a decade it will be mostly solar with some sort of storage for night time coverage.
That's 52 MWh of storage and 13 MW of PV.Meanwhile, off in Hawaii, Tesla Chief Technology Officer J.B. Straubel was meeting with the Aloha State’s governor, David Ige, to unveil the company’s latest solar-related project: nearly 55,000 solar panels to provide power to the island of Kauai.
Tesla is also including 272 of its Powerpack 2 batteries in the project, which will allow for solar energy to be stored and used at night. The company plans to turn the solar panels on in phases over the coming months.
The Colorado $6000 tax credit on used EVs ended on December 31st. The current $5000 EV rebate is only for new EVs.GetOffYourGas said:...The federal tax credit does not apply to used cars. The only exception I know of is (was?) the CO state credit which applies to any car (new or used) that has not yet been registered in the state. (someone from CO, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here)...
Coal jobs will not come back unless NG prices raise a lot because it is becoming cheaper for utilities to buy power from independent NG-fired generators than operate and maintain their own coal plants.
Automakers and industry bodies have said the targets are too tough and could hurt manufacturers' interests.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-autos-idUSKBN16K1L5Trump expected to announce vehicle emissions rules review
U.S. President Donald Trump is expected announce a restart of a review of vehicle fuel efficiency rules sought by the auto industry at an event on Wednesday with the chief executives of U.S. automakers, according to two sources briefed on the matter.
Trump is expected to visit Ypsilanti, Michigan, a Detroit suburb, to tout his administration's decision to revive a review of the feasibility of the 2022 through 2025 vehicle emissions rules, after the Obama administration moved in its final days to lock in the rules...
Trade groups representing automakers, including GM, Volkswagen AG (VOWG_p.DE) and Toyota Motor Corp, have asked the EPA to withdraw the determination finalizing the rules, which stem from a 2011 deal the industry reached with the U.S. government.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/11/business/energy-environment/electric-cars-hybrid-tax-credits.htmlBehind the Quiet State-by-State Fight Over Electric Vehicles
...Today, the economic incentives that have helped electric vehicles gain a toehold in America are under attack, state by state. In some states, there is a move to repeal tax credits for battery-powered vehicles or to let them expire. And in at least nine states, including liberal-leaning ones like Illinois and conservative-leaning ones like Indiana, lawmakers have introduced bills that would levy new fees on those who own electric cars.
The state actions could put the business of electric vehicles, already rocky, on even more precarious footing. That is particularly true as gas prices stay low, and as the Trump administration appears set to give the nascent market much less of a hand...
In coming days, the Trump administration is widely expected to roll back stringent federal regulations on vehicle emissions, one of the biggest environmental legacies of President Barack Obama. The changes would give American carmakers less incentive to produce more battery-powered cars. There are also concerns among advocates of electric cars over the fate of a $7,500 federal tax credit on the vehicles, a major catalyst for sales.
But while the battle in Washington gets much of the attention, the most direct attack against electric vehicles, and in some cases hybrid vehicles, is quietly being waged at the state level....
powersurge said:We are naïve to think that we are saving the environment with our Leafs... Do you think that even 1/2 million EVs on the road is going to stop polar ice from thawing?? NO. The true enemy of the environment are the developing third world countries that are becoming more affluent, like China, India, Korea, and many other small countries. Their population is wanting a piece of the American Pie - - Every driveway has a car. PLUS there are no environmental laws in these countries. So for every Leaf we buy, there are 100 new cars that are being driven in these countries.
The true enemy of the environment are the developing third world countries that are becoming more affluent, like China, India, Korea, and many other small countries. Their population is wanting a piece of the American Pie - - Every driveway has a car. PLUS there are no environmental laws in these countries.
LeftieBiker said:The true enemy of the environment are the developing third world countries that are becoming more affluent, like China, India, Korea, and many other small countries. Their population is wanting a piece of the American Pie - - Every driveway has a car. PLUS there are no environmental laws in these countries.
That would make the "true enemy of the environment" the US and other Western countries who are setting the global standards for what constitutes affluence. China, BTW, is getting way ahead of us in EV usage.
China has always been way ahead in terms of EV usage. Past 10 years, they have millions of electric bicycles, the primary form of transportation in many major cities.LeftieBiker said:...China, BTW, is getting way ahead of us in EV usage.
China has always been way ahead in terms of EV usage. Past 10 years, they have millions of electric bicycles, the primary form of transportation in many major cities.
http://www.autonews.com/article/20170315/OEM11/170319911/1221Trump won't seek to roll back California vehicle authority
WASHINGTON -- President Donald Trump will announce the EPA will revive a review of the feasibility of strict fuel efficiency standards through 2025, but will not seek to withdraw California's authority to set its own vehicle rules, a White House official said late on Tuesday.
Reuters reported on Monday the administration planned to announce the review on Wednesday as Trump heads to Michigan, home of the U.S. auto industry.
A White House official briefing reporters said the Trump administration will spend the next year working on the review to determine if the 2022-25 model-year rules are feasible. The administration has made no decisions on how or if the standards should be revised.
But the Trump administration is not picking an immediate fight with California, which has long drawn the ire of automakers for setting more aggressive environmental vehicle rules, including requiring zero-emission cars....
LeftieBiker said:Powersurge is making the argument that just - by coincidence, of course! - requires him to do nothing he does not wish to do. Nice work, if you can get it. He is correct about oil in power plants, but Canadian fuel oil is still a bit better than coal - Alberta tar sands oil excepted. We can all be nihilistic and re-embrace fossil fuels, but that guarantees that things will get worse, fast.
Coal jobs are not coming back: they were lost more to automation than to market forces.
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