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johnlocke said:
In that case, I won't lose the first bar until I'm down to 235-240 GID's. If that's the case, NIssan will be back in court again.

On what grounds? At no time did Nissan make any statements about bars loss vs. remaining % capacity this time. From their point of view it would be operating "as designed".
 
Valdemar said:
johnlocke said:
In that case, I won't lose the first bar until I'm down to 235-240 GID's. If that's the case, NIssan will be back in court again.

On what grounds? At no time did Nissan make any statements about bars loss vs. remaining % capacity this time. From their point of view it would be operating "as designed".
The first grounds would be lack of usability due to range loss. Second grounds would be failure to define loss of more than three bars as anything other than a straight percentage value. Third grounds would be false advertising I.E. Nissan execs stating that a typical Leaf would retain 80% capacity at 100,000 miles and an 8 year/100000 mile battery warranty to back up that claim.

Seriously, we already went through this with the 24KWH batteries. Same arguments will apply. Nissan lost last time and I'd expect them to lose again. If I'm told that loss of more than three bars (I.E Four Bars) out of twelve will trigger the warranty then I expect that if the battery drops below 66% of it's stated capacity, it will be repaired. Nissan might elect to replace the battery or they could overhaul it but I'd expect it to be at least repaired to 80% of the stated 30KWH value. NIssan can define a warranty failure any way they want but the court may have other ideas.

From a practical standpoint, Nissan should get ahead of any battery failures if they want to continue selling electric cars. Another round of early battery failures would kill their chances forever. Who is going to buy a next generation Leaf with two rounds of battery failures in its history. They will buy a Ford or Chevy or even a Volkswagen before a Leaf. If Tesla delivers on the model 3 as promised, the Leaf is likely toast anyway.
 
My first reading was 68.92Ah 86% SOH and 83.96 Hx with 12 bars. Since then mine has improved a bit. If it is similar to the 25kWh then you should lose a bar soon. If the first bar does not drop until the same time as a 25kWh battery then I will be very disappointed.
 
jbuntz said:
My first reading was 68.92Ah 86% SOH and 83.96 Hx with 12 bars. Since then mine has improved a bit. If it is similar to the 25kWh then you should lose a bar soon. If the first bar does not drop until the same time as a 25kWh battery then I will be very disappointed.

there is no indication that that will not happen so expect to lose it at roughly 67.5 ish.
 
2016 year 30kWh Leaf with 100% SOH and 103% Hx battery.
Outside temp slightly below freezing:
GOM 189km ECO, 179km normal, 172 ECO with CC heat.
Actual range estimation (white bubble data) ECO+heat 132km.
361GIDs at 100%, 28,0kWh remaining, 101.1%GID, 96.7%SOC.

Compared to my 2014 new 24kWh pack available capacity: 22kWh vs 28kWh.
Both have slight reserve near turtle (0.3-0,4kWh).
And range data is similar. 80% on 30kWh Leaf is pretty much
like fully charged 24kWh Leaf.
 
First report of a capacity bar drop on a 2016 30KWH Leaf. Some guy in Orlando has reported first bar dropped at 14.4K. Unfortunately, he didn't provide any other info.
 
johnlocke said:
First report of a capacity bar drop on a 2016 30KWH Leaf. Some guy in Orlando has reported first bar dropped at 14.4K. Unfortunately, he didn't provide any other info.
Post at https://www.facebook.com/groups/nissan.leaf.owners.group/permalink/1401599269910910/. He's updated it to include screenshots from Leaf Spy.

I'd also started a 2016-2017 30 kWh capacity loss/bar loser thread at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=23606. As I posted in a reply:
I can see in one of them:
AHr: 63.91
SOH: 80%
Hx: 76.47%
 
cwerdna said:
johnlocke said:
First report of a capacity bar drop on a 2016 30KWH Leaf. Some guy in Orlando has reported first bar dropped at 14.4K. Unfortunately, he didn't provide any other info.
Post at https://www.facebook.com/groups/nissan.leaf.owners.group/permalink/1401599269910910/. He's updated it to include screenshots from Leaf Spy.

I'd also started a 2016-2017 30 kWh capacity loss/bar loser thread at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=23606. As I posted in a reply:
I can see in one of them:
AHr: 63.91
SOH: 80%
Hx: 76.47%


looks like the percentage for first bar drop is off. need more data
 
JTim said:
JTim said:
Leaf SV 30 kWh purchased 12/10/15, Delivered 12/16/15
Leaf spy results 1/28/16 (took forever to find an ELM that worked)

Ar=74.5
SOH=93%
Hx=89.12
Odo=13 (at delivery), 547 (current), first trip of 103 miles (with two charge bars remaining, used over a week) 1/20/16
3 QC (the dealer must have done the first two), 13 L1/L2 (one charging event for 5 minutes to test new 240 outlet, all others prior to 1/28/16 were overnight L1).

Couldn't get a picture of the battery balancing bars on screen 1 for some reason, but I they look really out of whack (to me) so cells may be unbalanced.

update, not noted in original:

370.11 V
GIDs 354

average kW= 4.5

L1/L2 =13
QC = 3

2/18/16
GIDs 327, AR 71.55

Update 1/28/17 (1 year anniversary of 1st Leaf Spy check)

ODO 5,593 (Not noted in original post, ODO ODO 571.7)
AHr=66.69
GIDS=191
SOH=83% (370.24V)
kWh=14.86
QC=10, L1/L2=112

First battery capacity bar gone, 3/17/17
Cross-posted to: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=23606

Manufacture date from inside car door is 10/15 *NOT* 2016 as I originally posted

ODO 6,084
AHr=64.97
SOH=81%
Hx=79.63
10 QC / 139 L1/L2

Charging habits: mostly from 20% to 80%, a few to 100%, from memory, 2 QCs in 97-degree temperatures, one or three times car sat more than 4 hours at 100% charge in the heat, and maybe twice (from memory) at 95% charge more than 12 hours (in a garage -- those times I misjudged thinking it would be a busy day, so fully charged ran short errands, car got to 95% at about 3pm, then sat that way until the next morning).
 
JTim said:
JTim said:
JTim said:
Leaf SV 30 kWh purchased 12/10/15, Delivered 12/16/15
Leaf spy results 1/28/16 (took forever to find an ELM that worked)

Ar=74.5
SOH=93%
Hx=89.12
Odo=13 (at delivery), 547 (current), first trip of 103 miles (with two charge bars remaining, used over a week) 1/20/16
3 QC (the dealer must have done the first two), 13 L1/L2 (one charging event for 5 minutes to test new 240 outlet, all others prior to 1/28/16 were overnight L1).

Couldn't get a picture of the battery balancing bars on screen 1 for some reason, but I they look really out of whack (to me) so cells may be unbalanced.

update, not noted in original:

370.11 V
GIDs 354

average kW= 4.5

L1/L2 =13
QC = 3

2/18/16
GIDs 327, AR 71.55

Update 1/28/17 (1 year anniversary of 1st Leaf Spy check)

ODO 5,593 (Not noted in original post, ODO ODO 571.7)
AHr=66.69
GIDS=191
SOH=83% (370.24V)
kWh=14.86
QC=10, L1/L2=112

First battery capacity bar gone, 3/17/17
Cross-posted to: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=23606

Manufacture date from inside car door is 10/15 *NOT* 2016 as I originally posted

ODO 6,084
AHr=64.97
SOH=81%
Hx=79.63
10 QC / 139 L1/L2

Charging habits: mostly from 20% to 80%, a few to 100%, from memory, 2 QCs in 97-degree temperatures, one or three times car sat more than 4 hours at 100% charge in the heat, and maybe twice (from memory) at 95% charge more than 12 hours (in a garage -- those times I misjudged thinking it would be a busy day, so fully charged ran short errands, car got to 95% at about 3pm, then sat that way until the next morning).

3/19/17

"Put the candle BACK!"

This morning the 12th battery capacity bar was back.

I'm positive I counted correctly on the 17th of March, and there were 11 bars. This may have been a false alarm, or the hot weather, or it is on the verge of disappearing.

SOC=82%
Ahr=53.52
GIDS=256
Hx=79.82%
12 V battery=12.56V

JTim
 
Valdemar said:
I can't help but notice that capacity bars on the 30kWh are fatter, unless LeafSpy calcs are off.

yep noticed that as well. makes me VERY interested in when the 11th, 10th, etc will disappear.

but then again, his stats are pretty much looking too similar to 24 kwh pack...
 
This may well be the Nissan's sauce for the longer capacity warranty as we suspected all along, but seems it's still won't be enough in hot places.
 
JTim said:
JTim said:
JTim said:
update, not noted in original:

370.11 V
GIDs 354

average kW= 4.5

L1/L2 =13
QC = 3

2/18/16
GIDs 327, AR 71.55

Update 1/28/17 (1 year anniversary of 1st Leaf Spy check)

ODO 5,593 (Not noted in original post, ODO ODO 571.7)
AHr=66.69
GIDS=191
SOH=83% (370.24V)
kWh=14.86
QC=10, L1/L2=112

First battery capacity bar gone, 3/17/17
Cross-posted to: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=23606

Manufacture date from inside car door is 10/15 *NOT* 2016 as I originally posted

ODO 6,084
AHr=64.97
SOH=81%
Hx=79.63
10 QC / 139 L1/L2

Charging habits: mostly from 20% to 80%, a few to 100%, from memory, 2 QCs in 97-degree temperatures, one or three times car sat more than 4 hours at 100% charge in the heat, and maybe twice (from memory) at 95% charge more than 12 hours (in a garage -- those times I misjudged thinking it would be a busy day, so fully charged ran short errands, car got to 95% at about 3pm, then sat that way until the next morning).

3/19/17

"Put the candle BACK!"

This morning the 12th battery capacity bar was back.

I'm positive I counted correctly on the 17th of March, and there were 11 bars. This may have been a false alarm, or the hot weather, or it is on the verge of disappearing.

SOC=82%
Ahr=53.52
GIDS=256
Hx=79.82%
12 V battery=12.56V

JTim

11th Bar lost again 3/23/17. I took a photo this time, in case it yo-yos again. But as of 3/28/17 it looks permanently gone. Cross-posted. I'm taking a moment to enjoy the fact that most of the time I charged from 20%-ish to 80%-ish, and was getting an average of 70 miles in winter and 80 miles in the summer with the 30-kWh battery (a/c or heat give my short-drives give the full effect of the 10% to 20% drop in efficiency, despite the heat-pump). My energy provider is Green Mountain Energy which charges 9.8 cents an hour, so I think (don't have my notes in front of me) that I add maybe 2.90$ to my electric bill per month (efficient driving) to 3.90$ (non-efficient driving). My total maintenance has been to replace a tire, everything else was the Clipper Creek 24a charger, the electrician to install the 240 plug (low cost since he and I work in the same building). I've installed a cargo-hatch cover and I'm thinking of replacing the OEM mirror with one that gives me homelink. Considering LED lights for the inside map light, maybe headlights. Before this I drove a 2005 Prius which was doing 42 mph, so about 10$ every two weeks in gas at that time. But maintenance was brutal due to the car age. Almost 1000$ that last time it went in.

ODO 6,170
AHr=65.42
Hx=80.04
SOH=81%

J.Tim
 
I've been gone for a while from the forums, but just came back on because today I lost the first bar on my 2016 SL!! At 6,477 miles and 6 months in service!!!

I've read through all the posts since I was last on here and really sorry to hear what @johnlocke has been going through. I hope my experience going forward from here will help those in the same boat as I am.

I have contacted the EV hotline and my dealership. Explained I lost the first bar today on my 2016 Leaf SL with 30kwh battery. I am taking in into the dealership tomorrow to have it checked out per the EV hotline folks. I will update once I know more from them.

In the meantime, here are Leafspy readings from my last full charge just before the bar dropped, along with a photo of the dropped bar:

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armelwani: Your location says Monterey, CA. Is that where the car always resides? Assuming you're working, is where you work of a similar climate? Monterey, CA is NOT at all a hot climate, not even close.
 
cwerdna said:
armelwani: Your location says Monterey, CA. Is that where the car always resides? Assuming you're working, is where you work of a similar climate? Monterey, CA is NOT at all a hot climate, not even close.
Yeah, something very wrong here if 30 kWh packs are losing bars in so little time.

Any other tests to confirm battery capacity? Can we get a LeafSpy shot of the cell-pair voltages close to LBW or any other point below 50% charged?
 
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