If you only require heat when temps are sub-zero, that situation doesn't make the heatpump a "gimmick." You are an unusual case, to say the least. ;-)
And you are quite sure that the overwhelming majority of car buyers share your behaviour ?rmay635703 said:I do understand how a heat pump works, but the number of days where I would want heat and it's above 15 are pretty rare
Here in Wisconsin I see shorts t-shirts and sandals come out every time it gets above freezing, so yes I do see others that figure it's a nice warm day in those circumstances. For me it depends how sunny , windy and humid it is more than temp.SageBrush said:And you are quite sure that the overwhelming majority of car buyers share your behaviour ?rmay635703 said:I do understand how a heat pump works, but the number of days where I would want heat and it's above 15 are pretty rare
So now you state that you are not alone. How does that extend to everybody else, or the large majority of everybody else ?rmay635703 said:Here in Wisconsin I see shorts t-shirts and sandals come out every time it gets above freezing, so yes I do see others that figure it's a nice warm day in those circumstances. For me it depends how sunny , windy and humid it is more than temp.SageBrush said:And you are quite sure that the overwhelming majority of car buyers share your behaviour ?rmay635703 said:I do understand how a heat pump works, but the number of days where I would want heat and it's above 15 are pretty rare
Maybe things are different in California
Living in the midwest I somewhat agree, which is one of the reasons I purchased a S model Leaf and also supported my bother getting a used S, but I wouldn't call the heatpump a "gimmick". It's a real feature with real benefits. Of course not below 15F when we'd actually need a lot of heat and I agree on a sunny 20-50 day we can often do without any car heat but where I've found the heat pump to be most handy is defogging the windows in the 30-55 degree range, when your FORCED to run the heat, for safety. Temps too cold to really run the more efficient AC to dehumidify the windows so you've got to run the heat, even if your running out of range.rmay635703 said:Here in Wisconsin I see shorts t-shirts and sandals come out every time it gets above freezing, so yes I do see others that figure it's a nice warm day in those circumstances. For me it depends how sunny , windy and humid it is more than temp.SageBrush said:And you are quite sure that the overwhelming majority of car buyers share your behaviour ?rmay635703 said:I do understand how a heat pump works, but the number of days where I would want heat and it's above 15 are pretty rare
Maybe things are different in California
jjeff said:but I wouldn't call the heatpump a "gimmick". It's a real feature with real benefits.
Interesting, I hadn't thought of the downside of the heatpumpTomT said:As stated, it depends on where you live... Here in southern California I very rarely ever use heat... But since I often use A/C, a heat pump is actually a liability for me as it is less efficient at cooling than a pure A/C system... A heat pump CAN be made as efficient as a regular system at cooling but it requires an expensive proportioning valve to do so. So, far, no manufactures have seen fit to spend that money.
jjeff said:but I wouldn't call the heatpump a "gimmick". It's a real feature with real benefits.
Yes, they are.rmay635703 said:Here in Wisconsin I see shorts t-shirts and sandals come out every time it gets above freezing, so yes I do see others that figure it's a nice warm day in those circumstances. For me it depends how sunny , windy and humid it is more than temp.SageBrush said:And you are quite sure that the overwhelming majority of car buyers share your behaviour ?rmay635703 said:I do understand how a heat pump works, but the number of days where I would want heat and it's above 15 are pretty rare
Maybe things are different in California
https://www.anchorbrewing.com/blog/the-coldest-winter-i-ever-spent-was-a-summer-in-san-francisco-say-what-says-who/[Mark] Twain’s most well-known remark about the weather is also something he never said: “The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco.” What native San Franciscan hasn’t heard this clever quip served up by a shivering, Bermuda-shorted sightseer on a fogbound Golden Gate Bridge?
SageBrush said:America does not lack for people who live in cold climates and keep their homes, cars and workplaces warmed up into the 70s during the winter. My New Mexico raised daughter loves to gossip about a room mate from WS who fights with her non stop to turn up the thermostat because she wants to wander around in her T-shirt and shorts.
And you think you represent the majority, thus your conclusion about heat pumps.rmay635703 said:SageBrush said:America does not lack for people who live in cold climates and keep their homes, cars and workplaces warmed up into the 70s during the winter. My New Mexico raised daughter loves to gossip about a room mate from WS who fights with her non stop to turn up the thermostat because she wants to wander around in her T-shirt and shorts.
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It's not that a heat pump isn't nifty but climate here dictates it would be of use what , 30 days a year? Wisconsin is either hot or cold, that short period in fall and spring where things are crisp and cool is just that "short"SageBrush said:And you think you represent the majority, thus your conclusion about heat pumps.rmay635703 said:SageBrush said:America does not lack for people who live in cold climates and keep their homes, cars and workplaces warmed up into the 70s during the winter. My New Mexico raised daughter loves to gossip about a room mate from WS who fights with her non stop to turn up the thermostat because she wants to wander around in her T-shirt and shorts.
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http://www.greencarreports.com/news...p-work-in-a-toyota-prius-prime-plug-in-hybridHow does the heat pump work in a Toyota Prius Prime plug-in hybrid?
http://insideevs.com/in-may-toyota-prius-prime-sales-in-japan-went-through-the-roof/In May, Toyota Prius Prime Sales In Japan Went Through The Roof
Toyota Prius Plug-In Hybrid (AKA the Prius Prime in U.S.) set a new sales record last month in Japan, obliterating all previous “best efforts” by other OEMs. New registrations surged to 5,369, which was a third of the total Prius family sales. Japanese sources reports that higher incentives (from May) influenced the results (after they sank April). . . .
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