Has it been determined whether latest chemistry still suffers from significant degradation in heat?
Yes, and it does.
Has it been determined whether latest chemistry still suffers from significant degradation in heat?
That must be why Tesla, Chevy, etc. all suffer the notorious range destruction that Nissan does, right?DaveinOlyWA said:EatsShootsandLeafs said:So in your opinion the right choice for nissan is to treat the battery now as if it's a battery from the future; give or not give active cooling based not on the current chemistry actually in the car, but the chemistry that they have in a power point presentation of their hoped-but-currently-unavailable state?NavyCuda said:Active cooling is a band aid solution.
The chemistry needs to be improved so cooling isn't needed. Once the cooling crutch is used it's hard to get off of.
I applaud Nissan for making the right, but difficult choice.
If you're in a climate that the Leaf doesn't work as well in, by all means buy a Garbage Motors Bolt.
Highly doubt that is his opinion more than it is yours.
It is correct to state that using TMS is a bandaid solution because it is. Even Musk admits that. The reality is TMS would add to the price. I choose to not pay that price. It is a personal decision we must all make.
If that's the case Nissan will keep being stubborn and not using TMS? So we'll read more posts about people with range issues in their new cars and destroyed resale again? And more excuses here about how, yes TMS would have saved these packs, but we should support nissan in not using them because down the road, at some unknown future point, TMS won't be needed, so let's pretend that day is today even if we're scorching the batteries and noticing significant loss of range in one, two, three years.LeftieBiker said:Has it been determined whether latest chemistry still suffers from significant degradation in heat?
Yes, and it does.
EatsShootsandLeafs said:If that's the case Nissan will keep being stubborn and not using TMS? So we'll read more posts about people with range issues in their new cars and destroyed resale again? And more excuses here about how, yes TMS would have saved these packs, but we should support nissan in not using them because down the road, at some unknown future point, TMS won't be needed, so let's pretend that day is today even if we're scorching the batteries and noticing significant loss of range in one, two, three years.LeftieBiker said:Has it been determined whether latest chemistry still suffers from significant degradation in heat?
Yes, and it does.
You can't be serious. The number of cars with missing bars across all years is legion. I know you know that, so your post is baffling but I don't want to accuse you of being disingenuous yet. Nissan fooled some people with Gen 1 over multiple years. Until they can prove 2+ years into Gen 2 that their batteries hold up, the safe route is to assume once again that they won't.DaveinOlyWA said:EatsShootsandLeafs said:If that's the case Nissan will keep being stubborn and not using TMS? So we'll read more posts about people with range issues in their new cars and destroyed resale again? And more excuses here about how, yes TMS would have saved these packs, but we should support nissan in not using them because down the road, at some unknown future point, TMS won't be needed, so let's pretend that day is today even if we're scorching the batteries and noticing significant loss of range in one, two, three years.LeftieBiker said:Yes, and it does.
premature statement based on a few outliers with 2015 build dates used to speculate on a car that has not even hit the streets.
LeftieBiker said:I don't know of any 2017 Leafs with 2015 build dates. Does anyone? The low SOH problem started with the 2016 Leaf, seems to be present in build dates throughout the whole year of 2016, and seems to be continuing with the 2017 Leafs. The SOH is just not staying near 100% in many of them, even when new. I suppose it's possible that this is just a difference in internal resistance in the 30kwh pack, but I wouldn't want to bet tens of thousands of dollars on that. If I do lease a 2018 Leaf, it will be with the assumption that it will lose 20% capacity over the years I drive it.
EatsShootsandLeafs said:You can't be serious. The number of cars with missing bars across all years is legion. I know you know that, so your post is baffling but I don't want to accuse you of being disingenuous yet. Nissan fooled some people with Gen 1 over multiple years. Until they can prove 2+ years into Gen 2 that their batteries hold up, the safe route is to assume once again that they won't.
The parsimonious explanation is that it takes around 15 months to lose a bar.DaveinOlyWA said:Both these recent ones were 12/15 builds. Is that significant?
We should always seek to learn from the past (we can't learn from the future). I think Bush said it best:DaveinOlyWA said:But then again, its easier to cite the past when predicting the future it seems.
EatsShootsandLeafs said:We should always seek to learn from the past (we can't learn from the future). I think Bush said it best:DaveinOlyWA said:But then again, its easier to cite the past when predicting the future it seems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A
EatsShootsandLeafs said:You can't be serious. The number of cars with missing bars across all years is legion. I know you know that, so your post is baffling but I don't want to accuse you of being disingenuous yet. Nissan fooled some people with Gen 1 over multiple years. Until they can prove 2+ years into Gen 2 that their batteries hold up, the safe route is to assume once again that they won't.DaveinOlyWA said:EatsShootsandLeafs said:If that's the case Nissan will keep being stubborn and not using TMS? So we'll read more posts about people with range issues in their new cars and destroyed resale again? And more excuses here about how, yes TMS would have saved these packs, but we should support nissan in not using them because down the road, at some unknown future point, TMS won't be needed, so let's pretend that day is today even if we're scorching the batteries and noticing significant loss of range in one, two, three years.
premature statement based on a few outliers with 2015 build dates used to speculate on a car that has not even hit the streets.
I guess we willDaveinOlyWA said:But the 30 kwh packs are brand new tech. So how anyone is not seeing this is quite shocking to me. But then again, we shall see...
Hardly.DaveinOlyWA said:But the 30 kwh packs are brand new tech. .
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