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Note that Grasonville isn't yet officially open, and Sarasota only became official last night (after I checked it) or today. Also, McAllen just officially opened last week, after having been reported open and then shut at supercharge.info for a few weeks. We're now at 9 officially in the U.S. for the month, and hopefully they'll be in the middle teens by the end, the first month this year U.S. openings will be in the double digits.
 
GRA said:
Note that Grasonville isn't yet officially open, and Sarasota only became official last night (after I checked it) or today. Also, McAllen just officially opened last week, after having been reported open and then shut at supercharge.info for a few weeks. We're now at 9 officially in the U.S. for the month, and hopefully they'll be in the middle teens by the end, the first month this year U.S. openings will be in the double digits.
Quite a few construction cones on the crowdsourced site .... (and of course others in progress but not discovered)

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The long needed and awaited SC in South Lake Tahoe (it's actually in Stateline) with 14 stalls at the Hard Rock Cafe/Casino is now open, and has been used. Erwin, NY has also officially opened, although it appears that not all of the stalls are usable yet. This makes 11 U.S. SCs that have officially opened so far this month. Grasonville, MD remains unofficial.
 
GRA said:
The long needed and awaited SC in South Lake Tahoe (it's actually in Stateline) with 14 stalls at the Hard Rock Cafe/Casino is now open, and has been used.
Great news! I'd have preferred a location in SLT proper, as it's more of a crossroads and doesn't seem to get as congested as Stateline, but I understand that Stateline is more of a destination and likely has cheaper electricity because it's in Nevada. (I love how the state line is marked at a pedestrian-oriented intersection there.) Anyway, it's good to have an SC in that area.
 
abasile said:
GRA said:
The long needed and awaited SC in South Lake Tahoe (it's actually in Stateline) with 14 stalls at the Hard Rock Cafe/Casino is now open, and has been used.
Great news! I'd have preferred a location in SLT proper, as it's more of a crossroads and doesn't seem to get as congested as Stateline, but I understand that Stateline is more of a destination and likely has cheaper electricity because it's in Nevada. (I love how the state line is marked at a pedestrian-oriented intersection there.) Anyway, it's good to have an SC in that area.
Pretty much everyone would have preferred an SC in SLT near the Y, and Tesla tried (with the help of El Dorado County) for two years to find someone to host one there, with no success.
 
End of August summary. 12 U.S. SCs opened last month, making 51 for the year and 391 total: Falls Creek, PA (8/2; I-80); Steele, AL (8/9; I-59); Rock Springs, WY (8/10; I-80); Pinellas Park, FL (8/10; Jct. U.S. 19/92, St. Petersburg suburb); Monterey, CA (8/10; S.R. 1); Guilderland, NY (8/16; Jct. I-87/90); Sarasota, FL (8/19; I-75); Live Oak, FL (8/20; Jct. I-10/ U.S. 129); McAllen, TX (8/20; I-2, near jct. U.S. 69C); Breezewood, PA (8/25; Jct. I-70/76); Stateline, NV (8/25; Jct. U.S. 50/S.R. 207, dest. SC at south end of Lake Tahoe); Erwin, NY (8/25; Jct. I-86/99).

One other SC, in Grasonville, MD has been reported used by customers but isn't officially open.

35 U.S. SCs (including the 1 above) are known to be under construction: Sacramento, Fremont - Kato Rd., Burbank - Town Center, Salinas and Yermo, CA; Tucson, AZ; Rawlins and Laramie WY; Colby, KS; Austin, TX; Green Bay, WI; Chicago - Lakeshore and Rolling Meadows, IL; Dickson and Cookeville, TN; Traverse City and Lansing, MI; Ft. Wayne, IN; Coral Gables, FL; Morgantown, Weston and Beckley, WV; Charlottesville, VA; Irwin, Hermitage and Franklin Park, PA; Aberdeen, Grasonville, National Harbor, North East and La Vale, MD; Burlington, NJ; Danbury, CT; Leominster, MA.
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1 Canadian SC, In Edmonton, AB opened last month, making 28 total.

2 Canadian SCs are known to be under construction: Saint-Romuald and Brossard, QC.
 
GRA said:
35 U.S. SCs (including the 1 above) are known to be under construction, which I believe is the highest total ever: Sacramento, Fremont - Kato Rd., Burbank - Town Center, Salinas and Yermo, CA; Tucson, AZ; Rawlins and Laramie WY; Colby, KS; Austin, TX; Green Bay, WI; Chicago - Lakeshore and Rolling Meadows, IL; Dickson and Cookeville, TN; Traverse City and Lansing, MI; Ft. Wayne, IN; Coral Gables, FL; Morgantown, Weston and Beckley, WV; Charlottesville, VA; Irwin, Hermitage and Franklin Park, PA; Aberdeen, Grasonville, National Harbor, North East and La Vale, MD; Burlington, NJ; Danbury, CT; Leominster, MA.

Sept counts starting strong ;) Lot of construction cones

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scottf200 said:
GRA said:
35 U.S. SCs (including the 1 above) are known to be under construction, which I believe is the highest total ever: <snip>
Note, the bold is a leftover from the end of July summary, when the total under construction on August 1st was 36. I've removed that from my post.

scottf200 said:
Sept counts starting strong ;) Lot of construction cones

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Note that while Rawlins is officially open, Laramie isn't yet. I've been trying to get Blueshift not to post such sites as open, when they may just have been powered up briefly for testing and then Tesla shut them down owing to a problem discovered during testing, not to be opened for a period that can range from a few days to a few weeks or even over a month. We've had this happen with Rock Springs, Wy, Erwin, NY and McAllen, TX just recently.

That being said, with the opening of Rawlins it's now possible for any Model S/X to drive I-80 coast-to-coast, albeit with varying levels of care in smaller battery (<=75kWh) cars. It will take Laramie, WY, Hermitage (was to be W. Middlesex) and probably Bellefonte, PA, plus maybe one or two more in Nevada (say Battle Mountain and Wells) to remove all limitations. Hermitage is under construction, Bellefonte is planned.

It's a pity that once again they only got a major route like I-80 open (and that just barely) at the end of or after the summer vacation season, and little or nothing has been done as far as Kayenta, the I-15/Kalispell SCs in Montana, or completing I-10 (Tucson was just begun) or I-25. A few days ago Elon tweeted that North Dakota and Trans-Canada wouldn't happen until 2018, at the same time in which they wanted to be able to do Canada to Central America. While I've said repeatedly that I-94 from Billings to Fargo is probably the very last section of primary interstate that needs to be completed, and Trans-Canada probably isn't urgent either, the failure to at least extend I-94 from the Twin Cities to Fargo and then up I-29 to Winnipeg strikes me as odd - the Winnipeg metro area has a greater population than all of N.D., of which Fargo is the largest city.

If you go upthread back to February, you'll see Tesla's Q4 announcement that they planned to double the number of SC sites in North America this year. I was extremely skeptical then, as there were 340 in the U.S., 23? in Canada at the end of last year, and I wrote I thought they'd be lucky to add 150 in the U.S., as they'd never completed more than 102 (in the U.S.) in any prior year. As noted in my immediately preceding post they've completed only 51 in the U.S. plus 5 each in Canada and Mexico through August, so if anything I wasn't skeptical enough. They'll begin to deal with construction weather delays soon, and while they usually sprint at the end of the year to make the numbers look better, IIRR they've never managed to open more than 16 U.S. SCs in any one month to date - they'd need to average almost 25/month for the U.S. the rest of the year just to get to 150. I leave it to others to estimate the likelihood of that for yourselves.
 
scottf200 said:
I'm sure there are many sites in play and many complications we have no clue about.
As there always are, and which are entirely predictable in general terms, but not site-specific. Tesla has repeatedly chosen to pretend that such issues won't occur, which is why their schedule claims have so little credibility.

scottf200 said:
Sept 3 is pretty busy already too.

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La Vale is useful on I-68, bypassing the tolls on I-70/76; Carlisle complements Harrisburg on the west side, a the I-76/81 junction. Aberdeen is a capacity infill. I believe the SC still to complete in that area that will be the most significant is Morgantown (along with Breezewood), at the I-68/79 junction. La Vale is almost exactly in the middle of the 140 mile I-68 Hagerstown - Morgantown leg.

Baker will be much appreciated by people coming back from Vegas in strong headwinds (an SC should have been built there first, instead of Primm), and also enables Death Valley loops via Beatty and/or Lone Pine. Yermo will take some of the weight off Barstow (and Baker westbound).
 
Many complaint threads developing RE less-than-super charge rates at Tesla DC sites.

AFAIK from reading many of these posts, TSLA has produced no explanation for its problems, and multiple causes are suggested.

Most , like the post below, report kW rates that may sound OK to a LEAF driver, but still mean waiting several hours for a most-of-a-pack charge for a Tesla.

Degraded superchargers are a continuing problem

I took a road trip from LA to Vegas, and experienced 40 kW max at both Redondo and Primm superchargers. I was not sharing a stall pair, it was around 80*F, and charging in the 10-40% range where my car normally gets 100-110 kW (which my car got just fine the next day). After my trip, I called customer service and the rep was able to instantly look up supercharger info and confirm that those locations were degraded, and he could see everyone else getting <40 kW. Why can phone reps see this info instantly but we can't? Max charge rate and degradation should be added to the "stalls available" info on the touchscreen map so we can plan around the problems. I was late to work and had passengers, so this gave their perception of Tesla a black eye. Also this was my third road trip this year where I've run into this, so the individual supercharger problems really need to be fixed faster because it's way too common, especially with the mass production of model 3's starting soon...
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/6rxizg/degraded_superchargers_are_a_continuing_problem/

Superchargers super-slow
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/superchargers-super-slow.81432/page-19

charging slow at Superchargers
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/charging-slow-at-superchargers.88394/page-7

Has there been any clarification on Supercharger throttling...
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/has-there-been-any-clarification-on-supercharger-throttling.94619/page-4
 
More BS from the troll.
No charger network is better maintained than Tesla, and finding a couple examples of problems does not change that fact.
 
SageBrush said:
More BS from the troll.
No charger network is better maintained than Tesla, and finding a couple examples of problems does not change that fact.

Just to be clear, there's no shortage of Tesla trolls here!!!

I have experienced slower charge rates than normal at a Supercharger from time to time, but it has always been fixed by moving to another available Supercharger (and nobody on the other A/B side).

But, you are correct; there is no better maintained DC fast charging network, and no better planned and implemented network. And, no other network is faster.

The next best network plan is probably what VW has planned, and even its most wild dreams do not compete with what Tesla has today.

SAD.
 
There do seem to be some non-critical, heat-related issues at Superchargers. This summer, we made multiple trips up and down US 395 in our Model S, between Reno and SoCal. Our best charge rates (pretty close to optimal) were invariably at the Mammoth Lakes SC, which also happens by far to be the coolest SC location along 395. Even in 40C temperatures at other SCs, though, we never saw worse than 54 kW (on a low/medium battery charge). This also held true on our most recent trip to northern CO and southeastern WY which culminated in our viewing the total solar eclipse, with just one exception - we only got about 30 kW from a problematic "temporary" charger at a site in Denver that's on Tesla's list for expansion.

Overall, we haven't found the reduction in charge rates at hot locations to be more than a minor annoyance. It's an issue that Tesla needs to continue to address, but I don't see it as a major hindrance in any way. The fact is that it's been pretty easy for us to use the Tesla for trips in relatively remote areas without the need for extreme planning or driving more slowly than "normal". With the most recent releases of the in-car nav software, long trips are pretty user friendly.
 
I know some here seem to find fullfillment scraping the internet for anything Tesla-negative.
I'm no Tesla troll and I agree, abasile, It is an annoyance.
I've been Supercharging since May 2013 and just did 3000 miles of long distance travel over the last 2 weeks.
From Park City to SoCal, the slow (~48kW) charging added about an hour on to an already tiring 12 hour drive. It bugged me.
This issue is recent to my experience; as in the last 8-10 months.
I don't know if it's a temp thing.
Friday, I charged at Harris Ranch in 105 F heat and got ~100kW from 50-100 miles.
Sunday night (80 F) at Bakersfield it was 100kW for 3 mins (35 mi) then 60 kW the rest of the time. Almost no other chargers were occupied.
Something is off with the network. I'd like it addressed but it's pretty small potatoes.
I planned to charge at Buttonwillow last night and when I pulled in the whole town was blacked out (very windy, dusty, rainy conditions).
I felt fortunate that Tesla has another SC just 6 miles down the road in Bakersfield. No worries, did 350 miles in 6.7 hours. Try that in another EV.
 
The fact still remains, that it appears that other car manufacturers, really aren't wanting to sell electric cars in the US at this point in time. So, they don't really care if charging infrastructure is readily available. It is pretty easy for Tesla to lead the pack with charging infrastucture, in this regard, even with some inconveniences.
 
sparky said:
I did 350 miles in 6.7 hours. Try that in another EV.

I did 300 miles in 4 hours in my Leaf. It was being towed... :mrgreen:

This seems to be a get what you pay for situation. Used Leaf, $9,000, 11 bars, I do a 140 mile trip every weekend, and that's pushing it's limit. $35,000 for a Tesla 3. Too bad there isn't a Tesla SC station anywhere close to me. Then again, if I had a Tesla I'd only use those when far away anyway.
 
edatoakrun said:
Many complaint threads developing RE less-than-super charge rates at Tesla DC sites.

AFAIK from reading many of these posts, TSLA has produced no explanation for its problems, and multiple causes are suggested...
Reading those threads (at top of this page) the argument has been made by some that TSLA is intentionally reducing available kW rates at certain locations, at certain times, presumably to lower costs.

Not a bad Idea, BTW, in a "free" system, that cannot use pricing as a rationing method.

Any reason to believe, or disbelieve, that this is what is actually happening?
 
IssacZachary said:
sparky said:
Too bad there isn't a Tesla SC station anywhere close to me. Then again, if I had a Tesla I'd only use those when far away anyway.
It looks like there are several SC close to you -- close enough for any trip you'd want to make at least.

https://www.tesla.com/findus#/bounds/38.55899489999999,-106.902668,38.52956,-106.95091789999998?search=supercharger,&name=Gunnison,%20CO

You've got Grand Junction 124 miles via US 50 W.
And Poncha Springs is on the expansion list for 2017, just 60 miles via US 50 E.
Until then, Colorado Springs (166 miles east) might be reachable on a S 75 today.

As intended, you'd only be SCing when on a trip, not while at home, of course.
 
jlv said:
IssacZachary said:
sparky said:
Too bad there isn't a Tesla SC station anywhere close to me. Then again, if I had a Tesla I'd only use those when far away anyway.
It looks like there are several SC close to you -- close enough for any trip you'd want to make at least.

https://www.tesla.com/findus#/bounds/38.55899489999999,-106.902668,38.52956,-106.95091789999998?search=supercharger,&name=Gunnison,%20CO

You've got Grand Junction 124 miles via US 50 W.
And Poncha Springs is on the expansion list for 2017, just 60 miles via US 50 E.
Until then, Colorado Springs (166 miles east) might be reachable on a S 75 today.

As intended, you'd only be SCing when on a trip, not while at home, of course.

A charging station in Poncha Springs! Maybe you should work for Tesla because you could probably sell people like me those cars! I've been hoping for a normal L2 station there for my Leaf. Now I'll be going by there clear to Salida and then look back and realize that had I a Tesla I could turn there and continue, either north or south, without going clear to Salida first and then back.
 
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