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scottf200
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SC are mainly for traveling unless you can't charge at home (apartment/condo/etc). Most will charge at their homes with cheaper rates than they would get at SCs.DaveinOlyWA said:
I've never seen anything that says there is a different rate for S/X vs 3s. S/X get 400 kWh annually before being charged. 3s do not. If you got the S/X using a referral (even to yourself if you are a current owner upgrading or buying another for spouse, etc) then you still get lifetime supercharging. that referral last until end of 2017 (unless it is added again for enticing sales in 2018).
Re: different charge rates
https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/12/14257914/tesla-supercharger-cost-electric-car-charging
https://www.tesla.com/blog/building-supercharger-network-future
DaveinOlyWA
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scottf200 said:
Well, I am guessing you can find it easily enough but the quid pro quo is extrapolating assumptive data from tweets and the variance in SC rates was one done by others so its a who knows, we'll see but the reality is that it won't change my mind in one way or another anyway.
As far as SC's though, there is a LOT of talk that the urban locations have a different role that is both for apt dwellers and local travellers to grab a boost and these stations will be at a lower power level. I think 80 KW was mentioned somewhere?
As far as the statement that SCs are designed to be used for long distance travel?
Hard to accept that when we have 3 in Seattle along with one in Bellevue, Redmond and Lynwood. This makes 6 locations in an area that measures roughly 25 miles by 10ish?
dgpcolorado
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The urban Superchargers charge at 72 kW; since they aren't paired, as with regular Superchargers, the charge rate isn't limited by someone else being on the same circuit.DaveinOlyWA said:
Urban Superchargers are intended for locals to use, especially apartment dwellers without access to home or workplace charging. The ongoing infill of regular Supercharger Stations in cities is also to reduce congestion from locals charging. The fees being charged for Supercharging should help defray some of the cost of the network, perhaps also to discourage charging by those who don't really need it, and the idle charge is intended induce drivers to move their cars once charging is complete (a problem with a few inconsiderate locals who leave their cars at a Supercharger for long periods of time).
You can find the current prices for Supercharging on the Supercharging website. Although it was set up for the Model S/X there are reports from Model 3 drivers that they are being charged in the same way for Supercharging.
The current rates on the Tesla website for USA:
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Alabama $0.18 per minute above 60 kW, $0.09 per minute at or below 60 kW
Arizona $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
California $0.20 per kWh
Colorado $0.13 per kWh
Connecticut $0.26 per minute above 60 kW, $0.13 per minute at or below 60 kW
Delaware $0.18 per minute above 60 kW, $0.09 per minute at or below 60 kW
Florida $0.13 per kWh
Georgia $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Idaho $0.12 per kWh
Illinois $0.15 per kWh
Indiana $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Iowa $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Kansas $0.18 per minute above 60 kW, $0.09 per minute at or below 60 kW
Kentucky $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Lousiana $0.14 per minute above 60 kW, $0.07 per minute at or below 60 kW
Maine $0.21 per kWh
Maryland $0.16 per kWh
Massachusetts $0.22 per kWh
Minnesota $0.14 per kWh
Michigan $0.20 per minute above 60 kW, $0.10 per minute at or below 60 kW
Mississippi $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Missouri $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Montana $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Nebraska $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Nevada $0.18 per minute above 60 kW, $0.09 per minute at or below 60 kW
New Hampshire $0.24 per minute above 60 kW, $0.12 per minute at or below 60 kW
New Jersey $0.20 per minute above 60 kW, $0.10 per minute at or below 60 kW
New Mexico $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
New York $0.19 per kWh
North Carolina $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Ohio $0.18 per minute above 60 kW, $0.09 per minute at or below 60 kW
Oklahoma $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Oregon $0.12 per kWh
Pennsylvania $0.20 per minute above 60 kW, $0.10 per minute at or below 60 kW
Rhode Island $0.24 per minute above 60 kW, $0.12 per minute at or below 60 kW
South Carolina $0.18 per minute above 60 kW, $0.09 per minute at or below 60 kW
South Dakota $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Tennessee $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Texas $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Utah $0.13 per kWh
Vermont $0.22 per minute above 60 kW, $0.11 per minute at or below 60 kW
Virginia $0.13 per kWh
Washington $0.11 per kWh
West Virginia $0.11 per kWh
Wisconsin $0.20 per minute above 60 kW, $0.10 per minute at or below 60 kW
Wyoming $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
[Since I assembled this data myself by brute force, it may have some inaccuracies.]The reason that some states are per kWh and some are per minute has to do with whether or not the state allows a non-utility to sell electricity. The two tier per minute rates reflect the fact that charging tapers as the battery fills and are an attempt to emulate a per kWh rate on average.
FWIW.
scottf200
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dpgcolorado had a thoughtful and informative post about Urban SCs.
From the Tesla site he point you to was this viewpoint that gives you their intended use: https://www.tesla.com/support/supercharging
From the Tesla site he point you to was this viewpoint that gives you their intended use: https://www.tesla.com/support/supercharging
Durandal
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I am sure this happens with superchargers, but one of the problems I've been finding with L2 chargers in my area is people in PHEVs camping out at L2 chargers to get their "free" power when it arguably isn't needed. I have to rush to a certain L2 location if I need an extra charge in my Leaf for errands to beat the Volt that will campt out at the L2 for 5 hours during a day. I don't understand the logic of people making a big effort to save $1/day when it's easier and simpler to just plug in at home. If the Superchargers are in any cases cheaper than charging at home, you'll have people who will do it, even if it would be more convenient to plug in at home. All the L2 chargers around here are free, but I only utilize them if I really need to, otherwise I go plug in at home.. Sigh.
finman100
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difference is quantity of spaces at a Supercharger.
some have 12 spots versus a Chademo (or an L2 for that matter) that have only one spot per location! And if that one spot is broken or occupied when u get there? On to the next crap shoot...
some have 12 spots versus a Chademo (or an L2 for that matter) that have only one spot per location! And if that one spot is broken or occupied when u get there? On to the next crap shoot...
dgpcolorado
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This has been a problem with Superchargers in some places heavily populated with Teslas, such as much of California and a few spots on the East Coast. Tesla is dealing with the problem in several ways:Durandal said:
• They are rapidly building new Supercharger Stations and expanding existing ones with more stalls. Some newer Supercharger Stations have 20 to 40 stalls (compare that to most Chademo or CCS charge stations).
• They have instituted a fee for charging for the Model 3. [At the present time, most Model S/X cars are grandfathered with free charging.] The fee is intended to be roughly the same as the electricity rate in that state, so there is little incentive to Supercharge when one has home charging available. Even with the fee, using a Supercharger is cheaper than buying gas (less than half the cost in my state).
• They have instituted an "idle fee" that charges a car for sitting at a Supercharger after it has finished charging:
"We designed the Supercharger network to enable a seamless, enjoyable road trip experience. Therefore, we understand that it can be frustrating to arrive at a station only to discover fully charged Tesla cars occupying all the spots. To create a better experience for all owners, we’re introducing a fleet-wide idle fee that aims to increase Supercharger availability."
The idle fee is 40¢/minute once charging is complete. There is a five minute grace period during which the fee is waived if the car is moved. A Tesla driver can monitor the SOC of the car using the Tesla app on a smart phone, so there is no real reason not to know when the car is finished charging.
The idle fee only applies if the Supercharger station is at least 50% full. On most road trips it would be very rare for a Supercharger Station away from large metro areas to be near full (there are some exceptions in California, especially around holidays). So, the idle fee isn't a concern at the vast majority of Supercharger Stations. However, when on a road trip the fastest travel time is to charge just enough to get to the next Supercharger Station, so waiting around for a full charge isn't something that is usually done. The idea behind the idle fee is to discourage locals from leaving their cars at a Supercharger Station, blocking others from using it.
scottf200
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Another pretty decent month with a lot of construction ones added as well. Laramie had a stop/start so I excluded it.
Via supercharge.info
Via supercharge.info
GRA
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End of October summary. 20 U.S. SCs opened last month, making 92 for the year and 432 total: Carlisle, PA (10/1; Jct. I-76/81 capacity); Colby, KS (10/2; I-70 density infill); National Harbor, MD (10/2; I-95 capacity); Weston, WV (10/2; I-79 density infill); Franklin Park, PA (10/3; capacity); Wausau, WI (10/6; Jct. U.S. 51/S.R.'s 29 & 52); Brooklyn, NY (10/9; Urban); Laramie, WY (10/12; I-80); Salinas, CA (10/14; U.S. 101 density infill); Sacramento, CA (10/14 (Jct. I-5/80 density infill); Tucson, AZ (I-10; 10/15); Oxford, AL (10/15; I-20 density infill); Oacoma, SD (10/16; I-90 density infill); Rolling Meadows, IL (10/18; I-90 density/capacity); Freeport, ME (10/19; I-95 density infill); Rochester, MN (10/21; Jct. U.S. 14/52); Florence, SC (10/21; Jct. I-20/95, density infill); Cookeville, TN (10/23; I-40 density infill); Spearfish, SD (10/30; I-90 density infill); Sioux Falls, SD (10/30; Jct. I-29/90 density infill).
35 U.S. SCs are known to be under construction: Fremont - Kato Rd., Kettleman City, San Clemente, Yermo, Baker and Concord, CA; Willcox and Phoenix, AZ; Deming, NM; Lone Tree - Park Meadows #2, CO; Austin, TX; Sherburn, MN; Oak Creek and Madison- E. Washington Ave., WI; Muskegon, Big Rapids, Gaylord, Auburn, Roseville and Livonia, MI; Toledo, OH; Coral Gables and W. Melbourne, FL; Beckley, WV; Raleigh & Greensboro, NC; Bellefonte, PA; Richmond & Mt. Jackson, VA; Gaithersburg, MD; Lewes, DE; Woodbridge, NJ; Danbury and Manchester, CT; Leominster, MA.
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2 Canadian SCs opened last month, in Saint-Romuald and Brossard, QC, making 30 total.
6 Canadian SCs are known to be under construction: Sudbury, Owen Sound, Barrie North & Markham, ON; Laval and Mascouche, QC.
35 U.S. SCs are known to be under construction: Fremont - Kato Rd., Kettleman City, San Clemente, Yermo, Baker and Concord, CA; Willcox and Phoenix, AZ; Deming, NM; Lone Tree - Park Meadows #2, CO; Austin, TX; Sherburn, MN; Oak Creek and Madison- E. Washington Ave., WI; Muskegon, Big Rapids, Gaylord, Auburn, Roseville and Livonia, MI; Toledo, OH; Coral Gables and W. Melbourne, FL; Beckley, WV; Raleigh & Greensboro, NC; Bellefonte, PA; Richmond & Mt. Jackson, VA; Gaithersburg, MD; Lewes, DE; Woodbridge, NJ; Danbury and Manchester, CT; Leominster, MA.
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2 Canadian SCs opened last month, in Saint-Romuald and Brossard, QC, making 30 total.
6 Canadian SCs are known to be under construction: Sudbury, Owen Sound, Barrie North & Markham, ON; Laval and Mascouche, QC.
jlv
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I experienced my first congestion delay at a SC last weekend.
I ended up on an unplanned 200+ mile trip to L.I. last weekend. I drove down without a stop and had about 30 miles of range remaining when I arrived. I needed to spend the day with family and planned to return home in the evening. For the return trip I needed about 20 minutes at the Syosset SC in order to be able to reach a SC in CT.
When I got to the Syosset service center I found all four SC stalls in use and 3 more cars waiting in line. Most of these cars looked to be locals doing their "weekend charging". Two of the people waiting were playing chess (!), another guy had a book, and a third person was walking his dogs while his X charged. I suspect the Saturday afternoon congestion there is common.
Thankfully I didn't need to wait and I came back 2 hours later when all the stalls were empty. My initial mistake was not looking at the dash beforehand to check the occupancy of the SC stalls. There's a new SC planned for the area (possibly at the mall) that will help in the future.
I ended up on an unplanned 200+ mile trip to L.I. last weekend. I drove down without a stop and had about 30 miles of range remaining when I arrived. I needed to spend the day with family and planned to return home in the evening. For the return trip I needed about 20 minutes at the Syosset SC in order to be able to reach a SC in CT.
When I got to the Syosset service center I found all four SC stalls in use and 3 more cars waiting in line. Most of these cars looked to be locals doing their "weekend charging". Two of the people waiting were playing chess (!), another guy had a book, and a third person was walking his dogs while his X charged. I suspect the Saturday afternoon congestion there is common.
Thankfully I didn't need to wait and I came back 2 hours later when all the stalls were empty. My initial mistake was not looking at the dash beforehand to check the occupancy of the SC stalls. There's a new SC planned for the area (possibly at the mall) that will help in the future.
hyperionmark
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Question from someone that doesn't own a Tesla, but hopes to in the next couple years:
Isn't there a way to set your charging speed via the app or car display? In most situations you would obviously want the fastest charge possible, but if the station was empty (so being rude and taking up a spot isn't an issue), and you were going to be at the supercharger for quite a while (shopping or eating), wouldn't it be better to see the charge rate just below 60 kW? Is that possible?
Thanks....from a newb
Isn't there a way to set your charging speed via the app or car display? In most situations you would obviously want the fastest charge possible, but if the station was empty (so being rude and taking up a spot isn't an issue), and you were going to be at the supercharger for quite a while (shopping or eating), wouldn't it be better to see the charge rate just below 60 kW? Is that possible?
Thanks....from a newb
scottf200
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When you are Supercharging (DC) you can not change the charging speed. They expect you want to charge as fast as possible (plus wouldn't want new owners to accidentally do slower charging and have a bad experience). When supercharging you can change your limit to say 90% vs 100%. If you are shopping or eating you can look on your phone app and see what SOC percentage you are at, plus it will give you some notice that you car is about full *enough* to get to your next destination (ie. if you have a nav route planned).hyperionmark said:
If you are charging, say at home, using AC then you have the option of lowering your amps settings to slow down the charge. I've done this to make it finish charging about the time I'm leaving so that my battery is warm, gives max miles, and does max regen. Useful in the winter depending on where you live. It also remembers this amperage setting/level at that GPS location (ie. charge at 12 amps at your parents/friends or whatever).
Aside: While at a KOA, I also lowered my amperage so that it would finish charging in the morning before I would leave (plus I could run the heater/cooling all night). That 'camper mode' ability to charge and keep HVAC on is now built into the car where as before you had to use a phone app to automatically turn the HVAC on every 30 minutes or whatever it did since the car would turn off/sleep.
SUPERCHARGING (DC)
HOME CHARGING (AC)
hyperionmark
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Great post! Thanks for the info!
scottf200
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Quite a start to this month as well.
GRA
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Just an update from that Sept. 20th post: 21 U.S. SC sites were completed in September, 20 in October. As noted above, they needed to average 25/month for the last four months of the year to reach 150 new U.S. SCs for the year, and they're falling short of even that mark, which is less than half of what they were claiming at the end of 4Q 2016.GRA said:
For dgpcolorado and others in case they missed it in scottf200's most recent list, Poncha Springs started construction on Nov. 4th.
DaveinOlyWA
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scottf200 said:Quite a start to this month as well.
well its about time we saw "something" in WA!!! There is one scheduled for Oly as well and wondering where that is going to happen. I know a few places so expecting Sound Sound Mall which is half vacant along with a HUGE parking lot but is located within walking distance of several food options depending on location. Keep in mind, the parking lot (not even ¼ used on the busiest days) is a good 400-500 yards wide butting up against the freeway so the far end would be inconvenient for "anyone"
dgpcolorado
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Oh yes, we Tesla owners in western Colorado were very excited when a TMC forum member, who lives fairly near Poncha Springs, reported the building permit and, now, construction beginning.GRA said:
My next trip to Denver/Boulder is scheduled for December 5th but I don't suppose the Poncha Springs Supercharger Station will be up and running by then. Would be nice, though.
scottf200
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40 stalls -- First look at Tesla’s new kind of Supercharger with solar arrays and owners lounge
Fred Lambert - Nov. 8th 2017 5:54 am ET
https://electrek.co/2017/11/08/tesla-new-kind-supercharger-first-look-solar-owners-lounge/
Update: Numerous photos here: https://imgur.com/a/iQKZc
Below depeche TMC
Fred Lambert - Nov. 8th 2017 5:54 am ET
https://electrek.co/2017/11/08/tesla-new-kind-supercharger-first-look-solar-owners-lounge/
Update: Numerous photos here: https://imgur.com/a/iQKZc
Below depeche TMC
Thanks for posting @scottf200.
I was there Saturday night. Looks finished except for some paint etc. It was coned off and the Superchargers were unlit so I didn't attempt to plug in. Any idea why this site doesn't show up as a future SC on the Tesla Supercharger page? Seems like it will be up and running for TG traffic next week.
I was there Saturday night. Looks finished except for some paint etc. It was coned off and the Superchargers were unlit so I didn't attempt to plug in. Any idea why this site doesn't show up as a future SC on the Tesla Supercharger page? Seems like it will be up and running for TG traffic next week.
