Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:20 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:No, it was likely a response to the EPA down-rating the range of the 2013 because Nissan called the 80% option "long life mode."


Then why not allow Nissan Connect as an add-on option for the leaf S as well? It's standard on the SV & SL trims.
:: Leaf S30 :: build date: Sep '16 :: purchased: Nov '16
Date - Miles / GIDs:
May '17 - 7300 mi / 363
Sep '17 - 13k mi / 359
Oct '17 - 15.5k mi / 344
Nov '17 - 17.1k mi / 332
Jan '18 - 18.9k mi / 326
Feb '18 - 20.5k mi / 333 ?!?!

LeftieBiker
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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:33 am

The S has no telematics unit (modem).
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium and no QC, a 2009 Vectrix VX-1 W/18 Leaf modules, and 3 EZIP E-bicycles.
PLEASE don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:34 am

LeftieBiker wrote:The S has no telematics unit (modem).


"options" can be software and/or hardware components that can be added at the factory, like ChaDeMo ports and 6.6kw versus 3.3kw chargers. So why not make Nissan Connect an option?

If I may anticipate your next response and answer it? If the required modem (and cpu) is bundled with the NAV, then I guess I'm out of objections. Dropping the S trim, or dropping the SV trim and adding NAV as an option for the S is a corporate decision driven by product marketing. The end result being that it's up to the end customer to make the informed decision to go with the SV model instead of cheaping out with the base S model right? Too bad my nearby dealerships mostly stocked the S trim. :(
:: Leaf S30 :: build date: Sep '16 :: purchased: Nov '16
Date - Miles / GIDs:
May '17 - 7300 mi / 363
Sep '17 - 13k mi / 359
Oct '17 - 15.5k mi / 344
Nov '17 - 17.1k mi / 332
Jan '18 - 18.9k mi / 326
Feb '18 - 20.5k mi / 333 ?!?!

LeftieBiker
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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:13 am

Asked and answered. ;-)
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium and no QC, a 2009 Vectrix VX-1 W/18 Leaf modules, and 3 EZIP E-bicycles.
PLEASE don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:01 pm

For those outside the US, the 60 kWh Leaf may start selling well before Tesla Model 3 does.

If the battery does come with LG Chem's TMS... yummy.

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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:12 pm

internalaudit wrote:For those outside the US, the 60 kWh Leaf may start selling well before Tesla Model 3 does.
Also for those INSIDE the US who are NOT employees of Tesla, the 60-kWh LEAF may start selling well before Tesla Model 3 does. (Nissan sold over 4000 LEAFs the first month it was on sale in Japan. Tesla sold 30 Model 3s. I suppose they will figure out how to weld them eventually...)
internalaudit wrote:If the battery does come with LG Chem's TMS... yummy.
Yeah, that seems to be what will be in the 60-kWh LEAF in about a year.
RegGuheert
2011 Leaf SL Demo vehicle
10K miles: Apr 14, 2013, 20K miles (55.7Ah): Aug 7, 2014, 30K miles (52.0Ah): Dec 30, 2015, 40K miles (49.8Ah): Feb 8, 2017, 50K miles (47.2Ah): Dec 7, 2017.
Enphase Inverter Measured MTBF: M190, M215, M250, S280

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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:13 pm

RegGuheert wrote:
internalaudit wrote:For those outside the US, the 60 kWh Leaf may start selling well before Tesla Model 3 does.
Also for those INSIDE the US who are NOT employees of Tesla, the 60-kWh LEAF may start selling well before Tesla Model 3 does. ;) (Nissan sold over 4000 LEAFs the first month it was on sale in Japan. Tesla sold 30 Model 3s. I suppose they will figure out how to weld them eventually...)
internalaudit wrote:If the battery does come with LG Chem's TMS... yummy.
Yeah, that seems to be what will be in the 60-kWh LEAF in about a year.
RegGuheert
2011 Leaf SL Demo vehicle
10K miles: Apr 14, 2013, 20K miles (55.7Ah): Aug 7, 2014, 30K miles (52.0Ah): Dec 30, 2015, 40K miles (49.8Ah): Feb 8, 2017, 50K miles (47.2Ah): Dec 7, 2017.
Enphase Inverter Measured MTBF: M190, M215, M250, S280

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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:01 pm

With Tesla not providing any updates to the Right to Repair (since it was brought up on various news media/articles earlier this year) or giving some assurance that post-warranty or post-ESA, that TM3 repairs won't cost an arm and a leg just like it does on the Model S and X, although I will not cancel my reservation, I am now very hesitant to spend/invest a boat load of money on something that may be a very deep money pit.

WIll see how the 2019 Honda Insight fares on MPG and what the various trim models are and will await more information on the 2019 Nissan Leaf as well. Though I do wish Toyota and Honda would start introducing 220 mile BEVs, it seems Nissan is the only one serious at the moment with Toyota not promising anything until 2020 in China and 2022 for solid state batteries BEVs.

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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:47 am

internalaudit wrote:With Tesla not providing any updates to the Right to Repair (since it was brought up on various news media/articles earlier this year) or giving some assurance that post-warranty or post-ESA, that TM3 repairs won't cost an arm and a leg just like it does on the Model S and X, although I will not cancel my reservation, I am now very hesitant to spend/invest a boat load of money on something that may be a very deep money pit.

WIll see how the 2019 Honda Insight fares on MPG and what the various trim models are and will await more information on the 2019 Nissan Leaf as well. Though I do wish Toyota and Honda would start introducing 220 mile BEVs, it seems Nissan is the only one serious at the moment with Toyota not promising anything until 2020 in China and 2022 for solid state batteries BEVs.


You are listening to the worst of the worst. Tesla has been excellent on doing service for me and countless others and maintains a high customer service rating. While I agree nothing is perfect, Tesla has pulled through for me with flying colors. Many things that they could charge for, they have repaired as goodwill. I do agree with you on the right to repair and Tesla needs to open this up to all.

I personally own two Leaf SL's and a Tesla S, and my son a Chevy Bolt LT that he traded his Leaf to get. I would personally not buy another Leaf until they improve their battery longevity. A thermal management system would probably help a lot but a 2018 Leaf does not have that. Will a 2019 Leaf have a better battery and TMS system? We will see... The Leaf is a great car in every other way, except battery longevity and rapid depreciation because of it.
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:01 am

If the Model 3 was a hatchback, things would be different...

One day perhaps...

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