Jedlacks
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I'm in, but not until May. The tax credit is not a deal killer for me, because I spend way more on wine :lol: :lol:
LeftieBiker said:You can get LDW on the LT. I'm not sure about AEB.
Nubo said:One thing that gives me pause about an early 2018 LEAF reservation/purchase is the growing feeling that the car isn't going to be well-received by the market; primarily because 200 miles range has become established in the public psyche as the new bar. I'm fine with 150 but I've got a feeling Nissan is going to be incentivizing like crazy to bridge the gap to 2019 when they can compete on specs. Even more so if the tax credit fades.
Though it would be inconvenient I might just turn in my lease in March and take a few months to see how things pan out. Interesting times.
Nubo said:One thing that gives me pause about an early 2018 LEAF reservation/purchase is the growing feeling that the car isn't going to be well-received by the market; primarily because 200 miles range has become established in the public psyche as the new bar.
OrientExpress said:The market shows that while there is a lot of talk about 200+ being the new normal, but it's all talk. The subtext is "Yes , I want a 200+ mile EV, but I want it at a price point that does not yet exist." Nissan knows the entry level EV market better than anyone, and knows that an under $30K EV before incentives is the key consideration for the typical EV buyer today.
Price is the key consideration for the majority of EV buyers today, and Nissan will do quite well with their mid-range LEAF with or without the federal tax credit.
OrientExpress said:But the Bolt is overpriced, and it's dismal sales record proves that.
OrientExpress said:Currently GM loses about $6K on incentives for every Bolt that moves off of a dealers lot.
DaveinOlyWA said:Nubo said:One thing that gives me pause about an early 2018 LEAF reservation/purchase is the growing feeling that the car isn't going to be well-received by the market; primarily because 200 miles range has become established in the public psyche as the new bar. I'm fine with 150 but I've got a feeling Nissan is going to be incentivizing like crazy to bridge the gap to 2019 when they can compete on specs. Even more so if the tax credit fades.
Though it would be inconvenient I might just turn in my lease in March and take a few months to see how things pan out. Interesting times.
A valid concern... BUT
we already know that Nissan has been discounting LEAFs heavily for a long time and the market suggests that that will continue especially in the face of real competition. The more discounted Bolts become, the lower the LEAF will be. I am guessing come Jan, Bolts will be right back up to their $36-42 K range all in.
Your lease ends in March, you are aware you can extend that right? or is that no longer available (I would consider that unlikely)
GetOffYourGas said:I respectfully disagree on both points.
GetOffYourGas said:The Bolt has a 60kWh battery.
GetOffYourGas said:IF this is true (neither of us are in a position to know), then it flies in the face of your first claim. Buying a car for less than it costs to build is an incredible deal!
dm33 said:Model 3 reservation in place.
Not interested in 2018 leaf.
Too little range.
No thermal management of the battery.
Would consider the Bolt before the leaf.
TomT said:That pretty much sums it up for me too...
dm33 said:Model 3 reservation in place.
Not interested in 2018 leaf.
Too little range.
No thermal management of the battery.
Would consider the Bolt before the leaf.
powersurge said:TomT said:That pretty much sums it up for me too...
dm33 said:Model 3 reservation in place.
Not interested in 2018 leaf.
Too little range.
No thermal management of the battery.
Would consider the Bolt before the leaf.
It is nice to dream of a model 3, but I don't think you will ever get one in your driveway. They do not the capactity to manufacture.. Not enough money...
Set the 2018 LEAF to 100 miles range to account for expected battery degradation.OrientExpress said:Here is why the LEAF will be a big success in the 2018 Model year.
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