rcm4453
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Wow! If these specs are true the 2019 Leaf is going to be awesome!
https://electrek.co/2018/01/04/nissan-leaf-2019-specs-range-charging/
https://electrek.co/2018/01/04/nissan-leaf-2019-specs-range-charging/
rcm4453 said:The 0-60 in 6.5 seconds is pretty impressive for a Leaf!
EVDRIVER said:rcm4453 said:The 0-60 in 6.5 seconds is pretty impressive for a Leaf!
Yes, when you start off as one of the slowest EVs 6.5 is better but not exactly impressive.
Nubo said:EVDRIVER said:rcm4453 said:The 0-60 in 6.5 seconds is pretty impressive for a Leaf!
Yes, when you start off as one of the slowest EVs 6.5 is better but not exactly impressive.
We are so spoiled nowadays! When I first started driving, 6.5 second 0-60 time would have been solidly in the "sports car" category. Now it's makes for an unimpressive family car. :roll: :lol:
Some 1970's times (http://www.autosnout.com/Cars-0-60mph-List-1970s.php)
Aston-Martin Lagonda Series 1 5.3L V8 - [1974]- 6.5 seconds
Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS 454 425bhp - [1971]- 6.5 seconds
Ford Falcon 4th Gen 351 V8 4-speed - [1970]- 6.5 seconds
Lamborghini Urraco 2.5L V8 P250 - [1972] 6.5 seconds
Lotus Esprit S1 2.0 - 6.5 seconds
Maserati Bora 4.7 V8 - 6.5 seconds
Chevrolet Malibu 5.7 V8 Turbo Hydra-Matic - [1970] 6.7 seconds
Ferrari 308 GT/4 3.0L V8 - 6.7 seconds
Ferrari 308 GTB - 6.7 seconds
Jaguar XJ S V12 - 6.7 seconds
Lamborghini Jarama 3.9 V12 - 6.7 seconds
Lamborghini Miura P4000 SV - 6.7 seconds
Renault 5 Turbo Phase 1 - 6.7 seconds
Jaguar E Type 5.3L V12 2+2 - 6.8 seconds
Porsche 928 4.5 V8 - [1977]- 6.8 seconds
Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale 7.5L V8 - [1970] 6.9 seconds
Pontiac Firebird 6.6L Trans Am - 6.9 seconds
Aston-Martin Lagonda Series 2 - 7.0 seconds
LeafPowerIsIxE said:Very impressive. I'm interested. Surprised they released this data. Maybe push some to avoid the current 2018 offering?
GerryAZ said:I might be interested if active cooling is only for charging, but I don't want a battery that requires cooling while parked for extended time without being plugged in. I don't want to return to the office or airport after parking for 2 or 3 weeks to a car that discharged itself trying to keep its battery cool. The other specifications look really interesting.
Stanton said:^ ^ ^ THIS
Based on comments by Nissan at the time, it seemed as though "no TMS" was part of the original system design spec (for those of you who can relate) for the Leaf platform.
rcm4453 said:Stanton said:^ ^ ^ THIS
Based on comments by Nissan at the time, it seemed as though "no TMS" was part of the original system design spec (for those of you who can relate) for the Leaf platform.
Yeah and look how well this "no TMS" has worked out for them. How many batteries has Nissan had to replace under warranty since the Leaf launched?!
Stanton said:rcm4453 said:Stanton said:^ ^ ^ THIS
Based on comments by Nissan at the time, it seemed as though "no TMS" was part of the original system design spec (for those of you who can relate) for the Leaf platform.
Yeah and look how well this "no TMS" has worked out for them. How many batteries has Nissan had to replace under warranty since the Leaf launched?!
A lot...and I'm one of them. However, that's not the point. If the battery design/testing/whatever had been more heat tolerant and/or initial battery pack capacities had been larger, the system design objectives would have most likely been met. The simple fact that Nissan is going with another battery design (LG Chem) tells you that they (finally) learned a very expensive lesson.
Jedlacks said:Stanton said:rcm4453 said:Yeah and look how well this "no TMS" has worked out for them. How many batteries has Nissan had to replace under warranty since the Leaf launched?!
A lot...and I'm one of them. However, that's not the point. If the battery design/testing/whatever had been more heat tolerant and/or initial battery pack capacities had been larger, the system design objectives would have most likely been met. The simple fact that Nissan is going with another battery design (LG Chem) tells you that they (finally) learned a very expensive lesson.
I sincerely doubt your estimation of "a lot". Not all Leafs were sold in Phoenix or places like that, but when you are the one being inconvenienced, it would seem that the whole world is caving in. I'm over 41,000 miles in the Atlanta suburbs, and I am getting 86 miles in this frozen weather. Yes, I still have 12 bars, but I may lose a bar within the next 12 months. By then I will be in the 50s. Also, I have not seen any numbers or reports that say that Nissan is losing on a Leaf. Maybe making their own battery took away the overhead-and-profit of a separate manufacturer, so there must have been cost savings there. And in doing so, they could pass the savings along. Now that they reused many of the original parts, they can now look to LG Chem.
We all read this thread and hear of some of us going to the dealer for a replacement and being told, "...this is our first...". I believe the only "a lot" were the people that came here to voice their complaint.
rcm4453 said:GerryAZ said:I might be interested if active cooling is only for charging, but I don't want a battery that requires cooling while parked for extended time without being plugged in. I don't want to return to the office or airport after parking for 2 or 3 weeks to a car that discharged itself trying to keep its battery cool. The other specifications look really interesting.
How often would this scenario play out for most Leaf drivers? Wouldn't you think having a battery that degrades less quickly because it has an active TMS is the better way to go? It's a small price to pay to protect a battery that costs several thousand dollars.
Other than the 1st slide that was shown which was shown from the Sunnyvale EVent in Sept 2017 (discussed at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=515631#p515631), I really wonder how credible the other stuff in the table is. I was at that EVent along w/numerous other MNLers, including some at least 2 non-local folks who flew in and apparently, one who drove down from WA in his Kia Soul EV.LeafPowerIsIxE said:Very impressive. I'm interested. Surprised they released this data. Maybe push some to avoid the current 2018 offering?
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