gugusse
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Re: 6.6 kw charger on 2013 S model.

Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:29 pm

Well, the real question would be what is your current charger part number? With that you will already know if it will be compatible or just might be!

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Re: 6.6 kw charger on 2013 S model.

Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:35 pm

gugusse wrote:Well, the real question would be what is your current charger part number? With that you will already know if it will be compatible or just might be!


Current charger is the base model 292C0-3NF0D (3kW without QC) on a 2015 Leaf made in 05/2014. and the question is could that be replaced with a 292C0-3NF3B which is 4/2012 to 6/2013. I agree that the only difference in the versions seems to be firmware. My only concern is that there is a difference in the charging profile for the 2015 (lizard) battery, which only the 292C0-3NF3D and other 5/2014 and later firmwares would have, but perhaps that is the responsibility of the battery monitoring module, and the PDM is purely about producing a 360V charging supply to it?

I could see issues with trying to get a dealer to upgrade firmware for a 2013 charger that arrived in a 2015 Leaf :)

I could imagine also this would invalidate the battery or 100k powertrain warranty also.

I would hope as mentioned previously I could get one with QC and just not use the QC connections, but have the option should I be able to acquire the CHAdeMo socket and cables at some point. I can't see that the PDM would be able to tell any difference between QC socket hardware missing and QC with no supply connected - SuperLeaf seemed to confirm this. The Nissan service manual procedure for changing the PDM includes air pressure testing after the cover is bolted back on with the liquid gasket, so I think the QC connection hole would need to be well sealed somehow.

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Re: 6.6 kw charger on 2013 S model.

Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:36 am

The 292C0-3NF0D seems to be the last version before they changed something, so I don't see why it will not be compatible. So you can pick any version older than the 292C0-3NF3E and it will work.
You can clearly put a 6.6kW charger with chademo and not use it, BUT the hole must be closed.

Actually I suppose even the younger version would work, but I won't bet on that.

If you even have the chademo plug, the only thing is to find the wiring (if the car doesn't have the needed plug).

If you don't want error codes or anything, think about respecting the delay before unplugging the 12V battery, and to what I remember there is a 10min discharge delay for the PDM

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Re: 6.6 kw charger on 2013 S model.

Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:51 pm

I know this thread is dead but I wanted to post an update just in case someone else comes across this.

Yes, it is possible to install a QC port on your Nissan Leaf if it did not originally come with it. I just finished my conversion today and charged at a CVS using the DC QC charger. It charged just fine no issues.

To do this mod you'll need at least these two manuals:

EVC - EV CONTROL SYSTEM
VC - VEHICLE CHARGING SYSTEM

If you look hard you can probably find these online for free. I know the Nico club had them but they no longer allow you to download.

You'll also need to be handy with a soldering iron and be able to read schematics...

What I did:
I got a used 6.6KW charger and used QC port. The prices for the two wire harnesses were a bit more then I wanted to pay so I wired it external to the harness. I got some connectors, 9 conductor wire, a relay and fuse. I opened the OBC (PDM) and connected the QC port with the 9 conductor wire. There is a vent hole near the rear bottom rear of the the charger. I removed the filter and fit the wire in snugly. The filter was then relocated to the back of the cover. I had to drill a new hole. PDM Pin 9 also needs to be run into the 9 conductor wire so it can be connected to the relay.

Since the wire harness does not include pin 8 for the VCM I had to carefully open it and solder a wire to the pin 8 on the VCM. There is a plugged hold in the fire wall conveniently located near the VCM to run the wire from pin 8 under the hood to the relay. The VCM is located behind the glove box. Pin 5 of the VCM is routed to fuse box IPDM Pin 55 (light grey wire). The last wire (12v) is in another fuse box. I don't have it's ID right now but it's next to the battery. This fuse box will have fuse #33 missing. One connection was there waiting for the fuse. One connection was missing. The missing connection is here the last wire was installed with the fuse.

I hope this helps. I typed this fast and from memory so it may not be clear but I hope it is clear enough you give someone the clues they need to do this themselves. I think I'm the first person to pull this off as I have not found anyone else on the internet that has gotten a QC port working. I tucked everything nicely using zip-ties and if you didn't know you would assume the car was stock.

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Re: 6.6 kw charger on 2013 S model.

Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:23 pm

In 2011 and 2012 cars the charger was in the trunk. In 2013 plus they moved the charger to under the hood. That left a hole so the trunk liner no longer fit.
2012 Cayenne Red SL traded for:
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Loved the VW but it sat too low for my old body
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gugusse
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Re: 6.6 kw charger on 2013 S model.

Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:02 am

Thanks for that input. It is really interesting and comfort me thinking that every part in the Leaf is compatible.

Even the guy whom put a 30kWh battery in a 24kWh model had to swap the 2 on-board computers but the rest still worked fine.

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Re: 6.6 kw charger on 2013 S model.

Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:29 am

Question:
Do you think would be possible to swap the chargers between a December 2014 and January 2017 car? The new one is a 3.3 and the old one is 6.6.... :?:

gugusse
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Re: 6.6 kw charger on 2013 S model.

Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:30 am

The 2014 charger will work with the 2017 leaf. The other way around, I can't certify it but it should.

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