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Will Leaf Prices Come Down by 2021?

Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:29 pm

GM has a huge 3-step formula to significantly lower the price of Bolt by 2021. They are actively working on this new battery, which will drop the price from current 12K to 6K per battery pack.

Do you know if Nissan is working on anything similar? What are Nissan's plans for 2020-2021? I am sure all automakers have big plans for th ecoming 5 years. Any ideas? And if they can lower the battery price significantly, will that mean lower Nissan Leaf price in 2021? At least that's GM's goal.
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Re: Will Leaf Prices Come Down by 2021?

Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:43 am

All manufacturers have the same plan. I heard it first from VW.
2011 Leafs are selling for $5K, so prices are always coming down.

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Re: Will Leaf Prices Come Down by 2021?

Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:08 am

The answer is the same as for the question "will gas prices come down by 2021?": depends. Too many variables to predict.
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Re: Will Leaf Prices Come Down by 2021?

Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:40 pm

I don't think the list price will come down, but the incentives may grow, and the value you get for that price should also grow.

The cost of batteries coming down may show up more in the battery replacement prices.

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Re: Will Leaf Prices Come Down by 2021?

Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:13 pm

Yup! If you buy a 2018 Leaf in 2021 :-) That's what I hope to do.
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Re: Will Leaf Prices Come Down by 2021?

Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:18 pm

DanCar wrote:All manufacturers have the same plan. I heard it first from VW.
2011 Leafs are selling for $5K, so prices are always coming down.


That's also used and probably with a wonky battery by now, I'm assuming the OP means new pricing. The 2019 60kWh Leaf will cost more than the 2018 model and Nissan has already said as much. The Bolt is the car I would like to get, but it's way out of my price range and even if its MSRP were to drop another six grand, I still couldn't afford to buy a new one. GM is also close to reaching tax credit expiration territory, so there is that to think about as well.

All that said, every news source, Youtube video, article, etc. that I have seen, read, or heard has said that *supposedly* EVs will be cheaper than their ICE counterparts within the next several years. Me personally? I'll believe it when I see it and I simply do not see a manufacturer selling the EV version of their cars cheaper than the same ICE (assuming it's a model that comes in both mind you). I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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Re: Will Leaf Prices Come Down by 2021?

Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:22 pm

It's not yet clear to me where the public's definition of "enough range" will settle. If around 200 miles then I suspect the prices will come down. If over 300 miles then the value may come in the form of extended range instead of price reduction. Likely, you will have "low and high" range options relative to the "enough range" value as it continues to inflate over the next decade.
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Re: Will Leaf Prices Come Down by 2021?

Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:27 am

Probably about the range that people expect from a gas powered car would be my guess. For an ICE with a 15 gallon tank that averages 25 mpg, that's 375 miles.

On a price point vs range basis, I would be very happy with a 2018 Leaf, but to entice most people out of their ICE cars, that's going to require the combination of a jump in gas prices (or a carbon tax, like we have in BC, Canada), a decline in EV prices (ie cheaper, better batteries), at least 250 miles of range in winter, and much better charging infrastructure. We're not there yet...

So, I think it's going to take another decade before 15% of cars are EVs, then another decade after that before 50% of cars are EVs. Hope I'm wrong though ;)
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Re: Will Leaf Prices Come Down by 2021?

Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:12 pm

Federal & State rebates & incentives will give out in coming years. The battery price reduction will be offset by the conspicuous lack of EV rebate cash, so consumer end prices may not drop much, if at all.
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Re: Will Leaf Prices Come Down by 2021?

Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:54 pm

Price per kwh comes down, helps all manufacturers. For now this has mainly let manufacturers buy more kwh to bring up range. At some point range will be "good enough", and then you'll see prices ultimately start to fall.

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