2015 "lizard" and 2016 24 kWh S battery capacity bar losers

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LeftieBiker said:
Lots to correct up there!

* The Bolt uses the same L-2 charging stations as all other EVs except Teslas sold in the US.
The Tesla can use the same J1772 L2 station, you just attach an adapter to the plug.
 
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=518650#p518650 reports his '15 SL is at 33K miles and has lost a bar. Location is unknown along w/when bar was lost.
 
My '15 SV lost it's first bar this morning at 43,250. I plan to charge to 100% on Tuesday morning, so I will update the stats on the other thread. The GOM showed 93 miles, but I will be shifting from City driving to highways when I relocate to Miami in two weeks. The new office is 37 miles from my house down there, and it has free L2. The only drawback is that 6-7 of my coworkers drive Tesla's, so I'll park on the end.

I'm going to drive this for at least another year and wait to see what the new offerings are.
 
I'm finding several 2015 for sale with a manufacturing date on the door sticker indicating early 2014, like 05/14. How can that even be a 2015?
How can that be, how does the manufacturing date work?
At what point of the year is a car considered the next year car? I would have thought closer to the end of the year, and certainly not in the first half of the year...
 
valem said:
I'm finding several 2015 for sale with a manufacturing date on the door sticker indicating early 2014, like 05/14. How can that even be a 2015?
How can that be, how does the manufacturing date work?
At what point of the year is a car considered the next year car? I would have thought closer to the end of the year, and certainly not in the first half of the year...

Realize the LEAF MY 2014 was one of the shortest in Automotive history. The desire to get a more robust "Lizard" pack out there was rather large which undoubtedly encouraged Nissan to issue the 2015 MY early for a more definitive line in the sand.
 
Jedlacks said:
The only drawback is that 6-7 of my coworkers drive Tesla's, so I'll park on the end.
That is no drawback. They are unlikely to compete for L2 charging spots unless parking privileges come into play or an owner particularly cares about the free charging perk.

As an aside, this is why you should advocate for non-free charging at typical home rates. It just encourages too much bad behavior.
 
DaveinOlyWA said:
valem said:
I'm finding several 2015 for sale with a manufacturing date on the door sticker indicating early 2014, like 05/14. How can that even be a 2015?
How can that be, how does the manufacturing date work?
At what point of the year is a car considered the next year car? I would have thought closer to the end of the year, and certainly not in the first half of the year...

Realize the LEAF MY 2014 was one of the shortest in Automotive history. The desire to get a more robust "Lizard" pack out there was rather large which undoubtedly encouraged Nissan to issue the 2015 MY early for a more definitive line in the sand.

Thanks for the explanation.

But how to tell I'm really looking at a MY 2015 with a "lizard battery" ?

Thanks
 
valem said:
I'm finding several 2015 for sale with a manufacturing date on the door sticker indicating early 2014, like 05/14. How can that even be a 2015?
How can that be, how does the manufacturing date work?
At what point of the year is a car considered the next year car? I would have thought closer to the end of the year, and certainly not in the first half of the year...
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17168&p=374490 was when we first learned of the "lizard" battery being installed in model year '15 Leafs. As far as we know, ALL model year '15 US Leafs should have the "lizard" battery,. Presumably model year '16 S trim (original 24 kWh S trim, NOT the "S 30" 30 kWh that came near the end) should have it, as well.

You can figure out the model year via the VIN and via Carfax/Autocheck. Sorry, I don't have the a decoder in front of me/off the top of my head regarding which digit in the VIN you should check for model year.

As for model years, IIRC, Ferrari does something where model year can be a year behind calendar year. Typically, around latter part of Aug/beginning of Sept in a "normal" cycle does next year's model start showing up at dealers. Example exceptions:
- 2010 Prius went on sale in the US around May 2009
- 2012 Prius wasn't available at US dealers until calendar year 2012, a few weeks in
- 2013 Leaf wasn't available at any US dealers I'm aware of until at least a few weeks into calendar year 2013
- https://www.autoblog.com/2012/12/21/why-the-38-mpg-2014-mazda6-is-on-dealer-lots-but-you-cant-driv/ is crazy where 2014 Mazda6 showed up at dealers at end of 2012!
 
cwerdna said:
valem said:
I'm finding several 2015 for sale with a manufacturing date on the door sticker indicating early 2014, like 05/14. How can that even be a 2015?
How can that be, how does the manufacturing date work?
At what point of the year is a car considered the next year car? I would have thought closer to the end of the year, and certainly not in the first half of the year...
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17168&p=374490 was when we first learned of the "lizard" battery being installed in model year '15 Leafs. As far as we know, ALL model year '15 US Leafs should have the "lizard" battery,. Presumably model year '16 S trim (original 24 kWh S trim, NOT the "S 30" 30 kWh that came near the end) should have it, as well.

You can figure out the model year via the VIN and via Carfax/Autocheck. Sorry, I don't have the a decoder in front of me/off the top of my head regarding which digit in the VIN you should check for model year.

As for model years, IIRC, Ferrari does something where model year can be a year behind calendar year. Typically, around latter part of Aug/beginning of Sept in a "normal" cycle does next year's model start showing up at dealers. Example exceptions:
- 2010 Prius went on sale in the US around May 2009
- 2012 Prius wasn't available at US dealers until calendar year 2012, a few weeks in
- 2013 Leaf wasn't available at any US dealers I'm aware of until at least a few weeks into calendar year 2013
- https://www.autoblog.com/2012/12/21/why-the-38-mpg-2014-mazda6-is-on-dealer-lots-but-you-cant-driv/ is crazy where 2014 Mazda6 showed up at dealers at end of 2012!


To add; I got my 2010 Prius on a special priority purchase program from Toyota and picked it up May 9th, 2009. I could have picked it up nearly a week earlier but was out of town when the dealership called.

Like Nissan, Toyota simply wanted to get a new product out sooner since the 2010 was first redesign from the "iconic" version. This benefited me VERY much as the WA State sales tax waiver for hybrids ended May 31st of that year.
 
cwerdna said:
Relayer1956 said:
I own a 2015 SL and I've already lost 2 bars and I'm expecting the third to drop any time now.

I just posted my 100% charge statistics (see post below).
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=17459&start=750#p507333
Relayer1956 at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=17459&p=517554#p517554 has reported losing his 3rd bar on 1/27/18.
He he lost his 4th bar.

From http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=545754#p545754:
Relayer1956 said:
Actually I did just a few days ago on 1/7/19. I've been meaning to post about it.

Mileage: 52,722
kWh: 14.1
SOC: 96.6%
GIDs: 182
SOH: 63%
Hx: 34.75%
Ah: 39.22
 
This guy in the mild climate PNW has hit 125K miles on his '15 Leaf and still has all 12 capacity bars: https://www.facebook.com/groups/seattlenissanleaf/permalink/2371428259555264/.
 
LeftieBiker said:
evtifosi said:
Lost our first bar this week - 11,050 miles, but 3 years 3 months of ownership.

2015 Model SV

Is your local climate humid, or more dry? Dies it cool off much at night in Summer?
Monterey Bay should be a very mild climate.

Example data below:
https://www.wunderground.com/weather/us/ca/monterey/93940
https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/monterey/california/united-states/usca0724/2018/7
https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/monterey-ca/93940/july-weather/331966

The https://www.montereybayaquarium.org/ was aka The Cetacean Institute in Star Trek IV. :)
 
Monterey Bay should be a very mild climate.

I didn't mean temperature extremes. I mean average and common humidity levels and nighttime temps. I speculate that the car wasn't cooling off enough because of moist air retaining heat and keeping overnight lows above the point where rapid pack cooling starts - below 68-70F. This would be worsened by a non-cooled garage...

...Nope. Temps in August fall into the low fifties. Interesting. High SOC, maybe?
 
cwerdna said:
^^^
I suspect sustained high SoC. Yes.

That is the key. But even if owner lives on the bay, the temperature averages just 10 miles inland can be quite extreme. Low mileage and "higher" temps and high SOC is the likely culprit.

If we look at super long range LEAFs, the big key is higher than normal usage which implies charging to full and immediately running that charge down. The 125,000 mile LEAFer admits to only charging to full just as he is ready to leave, charging to 80% or less as much as possible.

I also think that fuller cycling of the pack regularly helps the BMS maintain accuracy. My 2018 has lost enough that I am projected to get a new pack well before 100,000 miles but I am driving a lot less so cycling is shallow and I have huge doubts my BMS is reporting accurate information.
 
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