edatoakrun
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:25 am

finman100 wrote:you really want to DC fast charge a non-TMS battery pack? More than 3 times in a row?...

I wouldn't worry about the pack, but I would worry about the mental condition of anyone wanting to regularly drive close to 1,000 miles nonstop...

JejuSoul wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:[A reliable commentator on the Kia forum has posted some un-sourced details on the 2019 "60 kWh" LEAF pack...

Sorry. My comments about the future Nissan Leaf are not reliable...

In that case, I'm back to my earlier suppositions:

edatoakrun wrote:
Stanton wrote:There will never be a TMS in a car with the name Leaf.

Probably not, fortunately.

Stanton wrote:Per my post earlier in this thread, the 60 kWh battery pack will be made by LG Chem (available sometime in 2019).

Possibly, but more likely (IMO) the 2019 LEAF "60 kWh" packs, like all other 2013-on USA-made LEAF packs, will come from the (former) AESC factory at Smyrna, Tennessee, though it may license the same technology LG does, and so be quite similar in terms of design and performance.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:09 am

mental condition. ha. that's a good one. pot, meet kettle.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:24 am

This will bring range over 200 of course, but Nissan should already have this an an option, in 2018. The problem they'll face is once the $5k+ cost premium is built in, it's no longer the cheap EV. It will directly compete in cost against the Bolt and the Model 3.

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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:10 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:....
My speculation is that the B olt / N iro / Kona EVs all use the same battery, purchased as a unit from LG Chem. Kia simply chooses to advertise "total" capacity whereas Chevy advertises "usable". The fact that Kia claims identical range to the B olt is telling.

No. The K ia N iro EV will use SK Innovation battery cells. Kia has always used usable capacity in the past.
The marketing fluff we are seeing about '64kWh' and 238km range should probably be ignored for now.

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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:33 pm

JejuSoul wrote:
GetOffYourGas wrote:....
My speculation is that the B olt / N iro / Kona EVs all use the same battery, purchased as a unit from LG Chem. Kia simply chooses to advertise "total" capacity whereas Chevy advertises "usable". The fact that Kia claims identical range to the B olt is telling.

No. The K ia N iro EV will use SK Innovation battery cells. Kia has always used usable capacity in the past.
The marketing fluff we are seeing about '64kWh' and 238km range should probably be ignored for now.


The Bolt EV has 57kWh usable capacity

Bolt EV

LG-Chem cells
3.7 volts nominal
288 total cells
96 series * 3 parallel
171.4ah per EPA filing

60kWh = 288 cells * (171.4 published AmpHour * 3.7 volt nominal per cell)

400 volt maximum (plus or minus 5 volts)

57kWh usable when new at room temperature

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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:54 pm

https://electrek.co/2018/02/16/new-niss ... e-e-power/

While looking for Nissan ebio ethanol fuel cell updates I found the next small tidbit

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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:14 pm

Nissan is teasing on Twitter that the 2019 Leaf maybe announced tomorrow.

https://insideevs.com/nissan-teases-som ... -tomorrow/

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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:06 am

kmartyn wrote:Nissan is teasing on Twitter that the 2019 Leaf maybe announced tomorrow.

https://insideevs.com/nissan-teases-som ... -tomorrow/


Alas, no such thing happened. I was very disappointed by their "announcement".
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:00 am

kmartyn wrote:Nissan is teasing on Twitter that the 2019 Leaf maybe announced tomorrow.

https://insideevs.com/nissan-teases-som ... -tomorrow/



Nissan loves to make everything seem new and cutting edge, like Carwings. This is just an ad push to try and get more sales before they start doing big discounting later this year as they usually do.

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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:07 pm

Canadian dealers are now sending out email notices that Leaf 2018 model is sold out, and that the 2019 model year will be $800-900 more.
I cannot see how they would be able to get 60KWH with TMS, faster charging and a bigger motor in there for that price.

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