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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:03 pm

The Autocar article claims 310 miles (500 km) range is NEDC not WLTP, so if correct and applying a .7 factor to convert NEDC to EPA, we're looking at around 215 -220 miles EPA, which is much less than anticipated. I think they really need at least 250 EPA. We should know for certain in a couple of days.
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:29 am

GRA wrote:The Autocar article claims 310 miles (500 km) range is NEDC not WLTP, so if correct...

Relax, it's probably not.

Jaguar, AFAIK has only stated 500+ miles NEDC, without indicating what the "+" means

We probably will get one or both of the euro-range ratings on Thursday, but I doubt we'll get the EPA ratings until much closer to when US sales begin, this fall (?).
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:07 am

All-Electric Jaguar I-PACE | Live Global Premiere just started

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpyh-4q661g
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:57 pm

So, appears to be about 240 miles EPA vs. 298 WLTP:
2019 Jaguar I-Pace electric crossover debuts in production trim; estimated 240-mile range
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1115546_2019-jaguar-i-pace-electric-crossover-debuts-in-production-trim-estimated-240-mile-range

Essentially equaling the Bolt's range strikes me as disappointing, given the price differential and 50% bigger battery pack.
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:22 am

I-PACE
BASE MSRP FROM$69,500.00

https://buildyour.jaguar.com/jag2/r/mod ... k19/3fquy/


GRA wrote:So, appears to be about 240 miles EPA vs. 298 WLTP:
2019 Jaguar I-Pace electric crossover debuts in production trim; estimated 240-mile range
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1115546_2019-jaguar-i-pace-electric-crossover-debuts-in-production-trim-estimated-240-mile-range

Essentially equaling the Bolt's range strikes me as disappointing, given the price differential and 50% bigger battery pack.

Bolt WLTP range is about 80% of the I-Pace, the final EPA range for which is still unknown.

Bolt pack is likely about 73% of the I-Pace, in total kWh.

Price differential has very little correlation with vehicle efficiency, but rather reflects the many differences between an econobox and a much larger and well-equipped AWD luxury vehicle.

It should be discussed, on another thread, why the WTLP ranges for some BEV manufacturers report substantially identical ranges on both the EPA and WTLP test cycles, and why other BEV manufactures report ~20% lower range to the EPA, than they do for the WLTP.
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:09 pm

edatoakrun wrote:
I-PACE
BASE MSRP FROM$69,500.00

https://buildyour.jaguar.com/jag2/r/mod ... k19/3fquy/
Thanks for the link. I had a good time optioning out the one I liked: $86400.
I used most of the nearly equivalent options as my X90D which cost about $2k more (demo model).

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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:13 pm

edatoakrun wrote:It should be discussed, on another thread, why the WTLP ranges for some BEV manufacturers report substantially identical ranges on both the EPA and WTLP test cycles, and why other BEV manufactures report ~20% lower range to the EPA, than they do for the WLTP.

Don't need another thread. I imagine it's due to weight and drag differences between cars, and the relative weighting of the different cycles.
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:29 pm

The one factor that has me remain a little bit interested in the I-Pace is that it is the first BEV at any price, that could replace both my daily driver and my off-pavement/Winter 4wd:

...Height-adjustable air suspension drops the I-Pace 1.6 inches from the standard setting at a stop for easy passenger entry and exit, lowers by 0.4 inch at speeds above 65 mph to further reduce drag, and can raise it 2.0 inches for off-road work. Hoban says the I-Pace can wade through water almost 20 inches deep. “Our BEV has a real depth of character,” he says. “It’s a real SUV with sports car characteristics.”...

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2019-jag ... ve-review/

GRA wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:It should be discussed, on another thread, why the WTLP ranges for some BEV manufacturers report substantially identical ranges on both the EPA and WTLP test cycles, and why other BEV manufactures report ~20% lower range to the EPA, than they do for the WLTP.

Don't need another thread...

Seems pointless to me to try to discuss on the I-PACE thread as long as the EPA range for the I-PACE remains unknown...

GRA wrote:...I imagine it's due to weight and drag differences between cars, and the relative weighting of the different cycles.

Imagine whatever you like, but the reported results for the few BEVs with both ratings seem to me to show no rational relationship to the factors you mention.
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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:33 pm

This is a compelling choice, I suppose, to X buyers (I'm not one so don't really know what they are looking for). It's fast, decent range, and cheaper than the X.

I was very disappointed to see Jaguar deceive in their Jaguar vs X, video, though. If you haven't seen the drag race, let me just remind you that the ipace has a 0-60 of 4.5 and the Tesla P100D has a 0-60 of 2.9 seconds. Now watch the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fErFiWjoeCQ

If you're at all confused and missed the slight of hand, it is explained here:
https://electrek.co/2018/03/01/jaguar-i ... ace-video/

I think Jaguar is better than this and obviously a number of people were "tricked".

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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:13 pm

The ~$70k Jag handily beat the ~$80k X and the (identified clearly three times in the video, X 100 D) <$100k X from zero-to-60-to-zero and now the sore losers are whining that Jaguar didn't show it tested against the ~$150,000 version of the X.

EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:...I was very disappointed to see Jaguar deceive in their Jaguar vs X, video, though. If you haven't seen the drag race, let me just remind you that the ipace has a 0-60 of 4.5 and the Tesla P100D has a 0-60 of 2.9 seconds. Now watch the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fErFiWjoeCQ

If you're at all confused and missed the slight of hand, it is explained here:
https://electrek.co/2018/03/01/jaguar-i ... ace-video/

I think Jaguar is better than this and obviously a number of people were "tricked".
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