JeffN
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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:31 am

New article...

Newly emerging photographs of Electrify America’s first new site installations appear to confirm that the first U.S. nationwide ultra-fast highway charging network will provide only minimal support for cars like the Nissan LEAF which require CHAdeMO DC charging connectors.


https://electricrevs.com/2018/04/26/new ... o-support/

Also, a better map of Electrify America’s initial route map is available here:

https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/10/sec ... -revealed/

JeffN
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed May 02, 2018 12:52 pm

The first two stations are opening to the public today. Pricing is revealed along with 10 additional locations opening soon.

https://electricrevs.com/2018/05/02/ele ... o-website/

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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu May 03, 2018 5:52 pm

JeffN wrote:New article...

Newly emerging photographs of Electrify America’s first new site installations appear to confirm that the first U.S. nationwide ultra-fast highway charging network will provide only minimal support for cars like the Nissan LEAF which require CHAdeMO DC charging connectors.


https://electricrevs.com/2018/04/26/new ... o-support/

Also, a better map of Electrify America’s initial route map is available here:

https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/10/sec ... -revealed/

Thanks. A much more rational initial route plan than Tesla's. Now we'll see if they can produce.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu May 03, 2018 9:29 pm

Huntington OR won’t get much use for a while.;)
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri May 04, 2018 8:53 am

GRA wrote:
WetEV wrote:EVGO has changed their pricing. Much better deal.

Indeed, although we'll have to see what their QC pricing is once the special ends, but they've said their prices for L2 won't change. There's also a lot more flexibility now in switching plans.


Special pricing irrc was a California only thing. I also seem to remember the regular pricing after the special was also mentioned.

Still a much better deal than Electrify America
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed May 09, 2018 5:59 pm

JeffN wrote:The first two stations are opening to the public today. Pricing is revealed along with 10 additional locations opening soon.

https://electricrevs.com/2018/05/02/ele ... o-website/

As nobody posted the prices, here they are plus some comparative info from the article:
According to an operator answering Electrify America’s support number, the initial Massachusetts location will charge 30 cents per minute plus a $1 session fee. A half-hour charge would thus cost $10. Prices may vary on per-state basis although it is expected to typically be 30 to 35 cents per minute. For now, the same prices apply regardless of whether a 50 kW CHAdeMO or a higher-powered CCS cable is being used. Subscription-based pricing is being actively considered but has not yet been announced.

As a comparison, charging operator EVgo has a non-subscription price of 35 cents per minute in Massachusetts but no session fee which would be $10.50 for 30 minutes. A subscription plan is available for $9.99 per month that pre-pays that much in initial charging and lowers the fee to 21 cents per minute. After the first 47 minutes ($9.99 divided by 21 cents) of charging in a month, that would lower the 30 minute cost of charging to $6.30.

Tesla’s “pay as you go” fee at Supercharger sites in Massachusetts is 23 cents per kilowatt-hour rather than being billed per minute. Whether billing is legal on a per-kWh basis differs from state to state. Historically, only utilities have been allowed to sell electricity on a per-kWh basis but some states have updated their laws to allow it for EV charging and Massachusetts is one of those states. . . .

At a 60 kW average charge rate, a kWh is being added to a vehicle every minute so 23 cents per minute or 23 cents per kWh would be essentially the same cost to a driver.

If a future vehicle like a Jaguar I-PACE or an Audi e-tron were charging at an average rate of 90 kW at an Electrify America station with a 30 cents per-minute rate it would be adding about 1.5 kWh per minute of charging time so the per kWh price would effectively be 20 cents. That is roughly similar to what a Tesla vehicle might average at one of the Tesla Supercharger locations in Massachusetts at 23 cents per kWh.

Meanwhile, a slower charging vehicle like a Chevrolet Bolt EV might have an average charging rate of a bit under 60 kW and so it’s per-kWh price would effectively be a bit higher than 30 cents at the same Electrify America station. A Bolt EV successfully charged at the new Chicopee location today at a peak rate of 56 kW and a Kia Soul EV charged at up to 68 kW even though Electrify America had said the CHAdeMO charge cables would be software-limited to 50 kW.

Both Tesla and Electrify America have a severe “idle fee” for cars which have finished charging but have not yet been disconnected. Both charge 40 cents per minute ($24 per hour). Electrify America has a 10 minute grace period before the idle fee begins while Tesla’s fee begins accumulating immediately but is waived if the car is unplugged within the first 5 minutes. EVgo does not have an idle fee. Tesla’s idle fee does not, however, accumulate when more than half of the charging spaces at a location are empty.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu May 10, 2018 4:32 am

Any word on whether EA imposes session time limits? EVGo infamously does, although they recently increased it from 30 minutes to 45 minutes. Even 45 minutes is a little short if you are charging a car with a large battery over a meal.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri May 11, 2018 2:00 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:Any word on whether EA imposes session time limits? EVGo infamously does, although they recently increased it from 30 minutes to 45 minutes. Even 45 minutes is a little short if you are charging a car with a large battery over a meal.

Checked comments on Plugshare, and no one mentioned a limit (but it's early yet). BTW, EA's own site map is here: https://www.electrifyamerica.com/locations

They're showing Chicopee, MA and Fincastle, VA H(igh) P(ower)* QC sites as up, but no one has checked in yet for the latter on Plugshare.

*I'm distinguishing them thus from the 50kW QC sites they plan for local use in urban areas.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Wed May 16, 2018 7:39 am

As far as I know, EA does not impose any arbitrary timeout to charging sessions.

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Re: Electrify America Network

Tue May 22, 2018 4:27 pm

I was at the Target in East Palo Alto, CA, today I saw what looked like new chargers being installed. Are these part of the Electrify America network?

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