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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Sat May 26, 2018 9:05 pm

ED, you can make this thread your article link and tin foil hat dumping ground, have at it. I'm truly sorry you could not get your reservation when you wanted it, try and direct that energy elsewhere. Tesla does not post here and the sky is not falling. Do some QC charges and take a road trip before it gets hot and tour the Tesla factory, you may learn something. You actually are starting to sound like you are from Trump country. I may dump my 3 reservation, if my brother does not want it perhaps I'll pass it to you, it's ready to go now, you just have to admit you want one. Let me know quickly I'm putting you on my block list to reduce spam. FYI, Tesla has not taken over this forum, they don't post here, you hijacked this thread, I hope you find an EV that does not make you a conspiracy theorist, we have too many already. Keep the regen real my friend.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Sun May 27, 2018 9:02 am

I doubt the cost of an air shipment of some equipment is all that significant in the grand scheme of things. Increasing the production is quite significant.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Sun May 27, 2018 9:33 am

edatoakrun wrote:TSLA actually infiltrated this forum from the beginning and has always tried to enforce the one true faith.


Come on, man. If so, they're doing a crappy job of enforcement. This thread is 98 pages and counting and a hefty percentage of the posts in it are yours. Your voice and opinion are hardly being repressed. Is there some key piece of anti-Tesla rhetoric that is missing from this massive compilation?
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Tue May 29, 2018 6:56 pm

Via IEVS:
Tesla Settles Model S, X Autopilot-Related Class Action Lawsuit
https://insideevs.com/tesla-settles-model-s-x-autopilot-related-class-action-lawsuit/

. . . The recent deal must still undergo approval in San Jose federal court, which may be granted soon by District Judge Beth Labson Freeman. Few details about the specifics of the agreement have been divulged. What we do know is that a group of Tesla owners filed the suit stating that the company’s semi-autonomous Autopilot system was primarily unusable, as well as dangerous.

A group of six Tesla Model S and Model X owners teamed up with lawyer Steve Berman to go to bat against Tesla after the individuals each paid an extra $5,000 for a system that they claim wasn’t fully functional. The Autopilot technology was (and still is) in the midst of several feature updates. Although the plaintiffs were made well aware at the time of purchase that Autopilot was still in the updating stages, they believe Tesla misled them.

At the time that these owners paid for the optional equipment, it was unable to perform functions such as automated emergency braking or side collision warnings. Additionally, the automatic high beam headlights weren’t working properly, if at all. The group asserts that the technology was braking at times when there was no reason to stop or failing to slow down for large trucks.

After paying the additional $5,000 upcharge for a system they expected to make their car safer and then not seeing the results, they chose to sue Tesla. . . .
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed May 30, 2018 2:23 pm

Tesla shareholders want to boot Elon Musk's brother and James Murdoch from the board

Now Tesla has another battle on its hands, this time with unhappy shareholders.

They argue that Tesla's board has failed to hold its charismatic but controversial CEO Elon Musk to account about the company's finances and performance, rubber stamping Musk's decisions instead.

Three Tesla directors are up for a vote at next week's annual meeting, and one activist shareholder firm wants to dump all of them. Among them are Kimbal Musk, brother of CEO Elon Musk. That effort is being led by CtW Investment Group, which works with union-sponsored pension funds.

At the same time, the advisory firm Institutional Shareholder Services is calling to defeat the other two directors who aren't named Musk -- James Murdoch, the CEO of 21st Century Fox (FOX) and son of Rupert Murdoch, and Antonio Gracias, head of Valor Management, an early investor in Tesla...

CtW says that Murdoch doesn't have the needed expertise in manufacturing and engineering and has worked almost exclusively for companies in which his father is the controlling shareholder...

http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/30/news/co ... index.html

I don't know about the other two, but if TSLA only has to pay the Murdoch crime family ~$1.5 Million a year for the favorable news coverage it gets from faux news, I expect that's a bargain!

A picture says a lot. Numbers say more. The board of $TSLA is a docile muppet show, yet it rakes in the highest compensation for doing… nothing...

https://twitter.com/Andreas_Hopf/status ... 5018838016
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed May 30, 2018 3:01 pm

Nubo wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:TSLA actually infiltrated this forum from the beginning and has always tried to enforce the one true faith.

Come on, man. If so, they're doing a crappy job of enforcement...

Perhaps not due to any lack of effort.

Take a look at the two moderators who immediately declared FUD and trolling RE a fairly innocuous article I posted from Reuters, first page of this thread, almost three years ago:

edatoakrun wrote:Quarterly results and conference call last week indicate the next year is going to be interesting.

IMO, TSLA will probably need to raise more cash, and how welcome it finds itself to be in the debt/equity markets is highly dependent on whether it can meet the (lowered) 2015 sales projections it announced last week.

Reuters gives the basics, below:

NEWS ANALYSIS

Tesla burns cash, loses more than $4,000 on every car sold

DETROIT (Reuters) -- It's crunch time for Tesla Motors.

The Silicon Valley automaker is losing more than $4,000 on every Model S electric sedan it sells, using its reckoning of operating losses, and it burned $359 million in cash last quarter in a bull market for luxury vehicles. The company on Wednesday cut its production targets for this year and next.

CEO Elon Musk said he's considering options to raise more capital, and didn't rule out selling more stock...

http://www.autonews.com/article/2015080 ... y-car-sold

dhanson865 wrote:...Any headline that divides startup costs of a multibilion dollar company by number of cars sold in the past is just FUD trolling.

evnow wrote:This is a FUD article.

This is like saying Apple lost thousands of dollars on every iPhone they sold the day of the launch.

BTW, are all the MNL moderators now Tesla owners and advocates?

Drees, and the two above, are all the moderators I'm aware of.

And on another note, If any TSLA enthusiasts on this forum want to further monetize their efforts, TSLA always seems to be interested in paying for help in making friends and influencing people:

Tesla Wants You To Surf Social Media As A ‘Social Support Specialist’

If you enjoy browsing social media websites for hours on end, you could be perfect for a new job at Tesla. That’s right, the electric automaker is looking for someone who knows how to navigate Reddit and the like.

The role, officially dubbed as a ‘Social Support Specialist,’ will require the chosen candidate to interact with Tesla owners on social media and to repair and develop relationships with customers and internal departments.

In the section listing the responsibilities the job entails, Tesla states that the employee will need to “monitor [a] variety of social media channels, including, but not limited to, Twitter, Facebook, Tesla Forums, TMC, Model 3 Ownership Club and Reddit.” Additionally, the job requires “direct engagement with owner advocates in the social space where possible”...

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/05/tesla ... pecialist/
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed May 30, 2018 5:06 pm

edatoakrun wrote:
Nubo wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:TSLA actually infiltrated this forum from the beginning and has always tried to enforce the one true faith.

Come on, man. If so, they're doing a crappy job of enforcement...

Perhaps not due to any lack of effort.

Take a look at the two moderators who immediately declared FUD and trolling RE a fairly innocuous article I posted from Reuters, first page of this thread, almost three years ago:


Criticism of or disagreement with a point of view aren't the same as enforcement of a point of view. Anyone was free to read the article and form their own opinion, and had no lack of opportunities to read your contributions.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed May 30, 2018 6:09 pm

Nubo wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:
Nubo wrote:Come on, man. If so, they're doing a crappy job of enforcement...

Perhaps not due to any lack of effort.

Take a look at the two moderators who immediately declared FUD and trolling RE a fairly innocuous article I posted from Reuters, first page of this thread, almost three years ago:

Criticism of or disagreement with a point of view aren't the same as enforcement of a point of view. Anyone was free to read the article and form their own opinion, and had no lack of opportunities to read your contributions.

Indeed.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed May 30, 2018 7:34 pm

Via IEVS:
Tesla Hoping To Dismiss Model 3-Related Securities Fraud Lawsuit
https://insideevs.com/tesla-hoping-to-dismiss-securities-fraud-lawsuit/

On October 10, 2017, the Rosen Law Firm launched a lawsuit, making the claim that Tesla –

“…made false and/or misleading statements and/or failed to disclose that: (1) contrary to defendants’ representations that Tesla was prepared for the launch of its Model 3 sedan, in reality, Tesla had severely inadequate inventory and was woefully unprepared to launch Model 3 sedan as anticipated; and (2) as a result, Tesla’s public statements were materially false and misleading at all relevant times. When the true details entered the market, the lawsuit claims that investors suffered damages.“

Now, the California automaker is seeking to have the legal action dismissed. According to Reuters, Tesla has filed a motion in a Federal court that claims its “…statements about the challenges the company faced with Model 3 were “frank and in plain language,” including repeated disclosures by Chief Executive Elon Musk of “production hell.”” Further, it says that the company believed production of the Model 3 to be proceeding according to plan until August of 2017. . . .

The suit contends that the price of Tesla shares were inflated during the period from May 4, 2016 to October 6, 2017, and that investors were “misled” by statements made by the company and its executives. A hearing in the case is scheduled for August.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:24 pm

Jalopnik goes in-depth on the Tesla sales and employee compensation model.

Not only does TSLA retail sound like a miserable job, but it seems like there may be no real benefits over the much-reviled dealer/sales system.

Why Tesla's Sales Staff Say They're Being Shortchanged In The Electric Car Revolution

...as Tesla tries to spur an electric car revolution, the salespeople who are key to actualizing the automaker’s project say they’re being overworked, underpaid, and outright mistreated, according to court records, interviews, and documents obtained by Jalopnik...

While it’s hard to have sympathy for traditional car dealers, Tesla claims the direct-sales method also benefits employees.

“Independent dealers typically rely on fast, high-volume sales at the highest negotiable price, and frequently pressure customers to purchase add-ons and services that they do not want or need,” Tesla argued in a 2017 lawsuit, whereas its system “eliminates the haggling and hidden fees that have contributed to consumer mistrust of automobile dealers.” Tesla’s sales employees are compensated in a way that “encourages a low-pressure retail experience,” the company said in the suit.

But the documents and interviews portrays an environment that sharply contrasts with Tesla’s description—one that sounds an awful lot like the high-pressure experience of a traditional car dealers, with stressed out sales staff working as much as 60-80 hours a week to close deals...

Part of the issue, current and former employees say, is that Tesla constantly changes quarterly sales targets for them. That’s crucial to their compensation. Owner Advisors and Product Specialists, another tier of sales workers, start out at a salary in the mid-$30,000 range, with the expectation they could earn three-to-four times that amount by earning quarterly incentive bonuses, whereas traditional car salespeople earn a big payday from per-sale commissions.

“They make it seem like you’re for sure going to make six figures,” said a former owner advisor at a California store who spoke on condition of anonymity...

But Tesla sales employees who spoke to Jalopnik said the company makes those bonus targets exceedingly difficult to hit...

It’s no surprise that selling cars translates into a stressful livelihood for many on the ground, but Tesla is supposed to be different. As Tesla would put it, the direct sales approach provides an all-around better experience from the top on down. But it’s a structure that left sales employees oftentimes feeling empty, the ex-staffer said.

“I was miserable,” they said. “We were all miserable.”...

https://jalopnik.com/why-teslas-sales-s ... 1826206999
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