Yes, 15k leases are very common, at least in the US. They do cost a bit more.
Reddy said:What WetEV said. Temperatures above 70-80 F is the major reason for battery degradation, followed by time at high SOC, number of charge-discharge cycles, and calendar time. The higher the temps, the faster the degradation, which is why AZ, TX, HI, and FL Leafs were early indicators. We should know more about the 40KWh batteries after the summer. Bottom line: use and enjoy your EV, but plan on battery degradation.
LeftieBiker said:When I installed my spare tire the subwoofer ended up slightly below the rest of the false floor level, so no problem for me.
digitalromo said:on my 2018 SL the Amplifier in the cargo area prohibits use of a cargo organizer as in the S and SV.
is there an orderable, usable cargo organizer for the 2018 SL that accommodates the amplfier?
Thanks!
Reddy said:In your situation, I would only lease, 2 yrs, and for less than $200/mo. Right now we don't know how long the 40 KWh 2018 battery will last, but if the 30KWh 2017 battery is any indication, you will have difficulties making 70 mi after 2-3 yrs. Unless you're able or willing to charge at work or along the way, be prepared for significant degradation. I hope for Nissan's sake (and EVs in general), but at this point it's "Fool me thrice.....".RonSwanson said:I have a 35 mile commute each way in a hot climate. Guess I can cross this one off my list!
jonathanfields4ever said:Reddy said:In your situation, I would only lease, 2 yrs, and for less than $200/mo. Right now we don't know how long the 40 KWh 2018 battery will last, but if the 30KWh 2017 battery is any indication, you will have difficulties making 70 mi after 2-3 yrs. Unless you're able or willing to charge at work or along the way, be prepared for significant degradation. I hope for Nissan's sake (and EVs in general), but at this point it's "Fool me thrice.....".RonSwanson said:I have a 35 mile commute each way in a hot climate. Guess I can cross this one off my list!
You think there will be more than 50% degradation in 2-3 years? Holy crap.
Lovely picture, Too bad there isn't any real data to back it up. Please note the caption "30 KWH predicted". Until we have real world data over a year or so, we have no idea how the firmware change really affects battery life. This is especially true since Nissan hasn't released any details over what the problem was or how it was fixed. Just "trust us, we took care of it" from Nissan. Even this much had to be reverse engineered by the guys in New Zealand and they only did it because Nissan won't support the Leaf there.WetEV said:jonathanfields4ever said:Reddy said:In your situation, I would only lease, 2 yrs, and for less than $200/mo. Right now we don't know how long the 40 KWh 2018 battery will last, but if the 30KWh 2017 battery is any indication, you will have difficulties making 70 mi after 2-3 yrs. Unless you're able or willing to charge at work or along the way, be prepared for significant degradation. I hope for Nissan's sake (and EVs in general), but at this point it's "Fool me thrice.....".
You think there will be more than 50% degradation in 2-3 years? Holy crap.
Based on some bad firmware.
https://flipthefleet.org/2018/30-kwh-nissan-leaf-firmware-update-to-correct-capacity-reporting/
johnlocke said:Lovely picture, Too bad there isn't any real data to back it up. Please note the caption "30 KWH predicted". Until we have real world data over a year or so, we have no idea how the firmware change really affects battery life. This is especially true since Nissan hasn't released any details over what the problem was or how it was fixed. Just "trust us, we took care of it" from Nissan. Even this much had to be reverse engineered by the guys in New Zealand and they only did it because Nissan won't support the Leaf there.
johnlocke said:Lovely picture, Too bad there isn't any real data to back it up. Please note the caption "30 KWH predicted". Until we have real world data over a year or so, we have no idea how the firmware change really affects battery life. This is especially true since Nissan hasn't released any details over what the problem was or how it was fixed. Just "trust us, we took care of it" from Nissan. Even this much had to be reverse engineered by the guys in New Zealand and they only did it because Nissan won't support the Leaf there.WetEV said:jonathanfields4ever said:You think there will be more than 50% degradation in 2-3 years? Holy crap.
Based on some bad firmware.
https://flipthefleet.org/2018/30-kwh-nissan-leaf-firmware-update-to-correct-capacity-reporting/
johnlocke said:Lovely picture, Too bad there isn't any real data to back it up. Please note the caption "30 KWH predicted". Until we have real world data over a year or so, we have no idea how the firmware change really affects battery life. This is especially true since Nissan hasn't released any details over what the problem was or how it was fixed. Just "trust us, we took care of it" from Nissan. Even this much had to be reverse engineered by the guys in New Zealand and they only did it because Nissan won't support the Leaf there.
No, I didn't really mean say that, although I might have implied it (oops, re-reading I did say "will"). Right now, I personally don't trust Nissan's new batteries, or the firmware re-programming. It might be nothing, a minor blip, a major fail (with 50% degradation in 3 yrs), or a real error on the engineers/programmers part that has now been corrected. I really don't know or care since I'm not in the market for a new EV yet. However, if I were needing a new EV right now, and the Leaf was the only option, then I would ONLY lease, especially if I had a 70 mi RT commute in a hot climate (just like I recommended). I don't expect 50% degradation, but why purchase a potentially inferior battery (no temperature control) in 2018 when improved products will likely be available from multiple manufactures in 2020? Leasing now seems like the least risk, especially for the 2018 Leaf in a hot climate. Other EVs that have thermal management might also be a better choice, but some of those are regionally unavailable and/or more expensive than the 2018 Leaf. Even Gen 1 Volt with charging at both ends would come close to 100% EV miles. However, those options are for RonSwanson to evaluate.jonathanfields4ever said:Reddy said:In your situation, I would only lease, 2 yrs, and for less than $200/mo. Right now we don't know how long the 40 KWh 2018 battery will last, but if the 30KWh 2017 battery is any indication, you will have difficulties making 70 mi after 2-3 yrs. Unless you're able or willing to charge at work or along the way, be prepared for significant degradation. I hope for Nissan's sake (and EVs in general), but at this point it's "Fool me thrice.....".RonSwanson said:I have a 35 mile commute each way in a hot climate. Guess I can cross this one off my list!
You think there will be more than 50% degradation in 2-3 years? Holy crap.
What data is your conclusion based on ?webeleafowners said:For what it’s worth after 2 years and 4 months since build date our 2016 SV has minimal loss.
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