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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:15 pm

Rebel44 wrote:
GRA wrote:Topgear via IEVS:
Opinion: the case for the Hyundai Kona EV
Kona Electric is the first mass-market EV you could use as your only car
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/opinion-case-hyundai-kona-ev

I agree with the title, at least for those who have the infrastructure where they need it and don't do really extended road trips (not an issue in the UK). For the US, it's okay for weekends and getting there for road trips but more range/charging speed is still needed. We can look forward
in a few years to the first 300+ mile semi-affordable (sub-$40k) BEV.

I disagree - to be a mass market car it needs to be actually available in reasonable numbers.

Hyundai makes good EVs but in pathetic numbers.

So far. It seems like they're now going to scale up - they've certainly got access to batteries.

Anyone care to guess when we'll see the first 300+ mile (EPA HWY) BEV for a base MSRP of <$40k in the U.S.? I'm thinking 3-5 years unless the Chinese introduce something here, and at the moment that seems unlikely given the growing trade war.
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:32 pm

GRA wrote:So far. It seems like they're now going to scale up - they've certainly got access to batteries.

Would like to believe it, but doesn't look that way from here.

The Kona EV is on the short list to replace one of our vehicles.

But even here in California, the Ioniq PHEV and EV are rare finds at dealerships, batteries aplenty or not.
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:40 pm

iPlug wrote:
GRA wrote:So far. It seems like they're now going to scale up - they've certainly got access to batteries.

Would like to believe it, but doesn't look that way from here.

The Kona EV is on the short list to replace one of our vehicles.

But even here in California, the Ioniq PHEV and EV are rare finds at dealerships, batteries aplenty or not.

Obviously will take some time, and I expect them to be in short supply for a year or more, but will happen. Checking inventory, the Niro PHEV seems to have plenty in stock at my closest (under 5 miles) Hyundai dealer in the east bay, and the next one out (Dublin, under 11 miles) is also well-stocked; both are in double digits. Unless they can put a bigger battery in the Ioniq BEV I don't see a lot of market for it going forward. and of course any car (not a Tesla) needs to be advertised, I am somewhat surprised about the Ioniq PHEV not selling better or being more available, but see advertising.
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:49 pm

Well, we're in the market for a <$35k, 200+ mile range EV after incentives. Still waiting on Tesla, hoping they or Hyundai can deliver in a few months when our Leaf lease is up in April.
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:51 pm

iPlug wrote:Well, we're in the market for a <$35k, 200+ mile range EV after incentives. Still waiting on Tesla, hoping they or Hyundai can deliver in a few months when our Leaf lease is up in April.

The Kona's out for me due to lack of length/space, thus I'm waiting to look at the Niro. I take it you're not interested in a 60kWh LEAF, or a Bolt? They should all meet your price after incentives.
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:57 pm

GRA wrote:The Kona's out for me due to lack of length/space, thus I'm waiting to look at the Niro. I take it you're not interested in a 60kWh LEAF, or a Bolt? They should all meet your price after incentives.

Cargo space is nice, but want to stay in something smallish like a hatch and not too SUVish. We will check out the Niro. The 60kWh Leaf is also on the short list. Haven’t ruled out the Bolt.
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:37 pm

iPlug wrote:Cargo space is nice, but want to stay in something smallish like a hatch and not too SUVish. We will check out the Niro.
I was at a Kia dealer with my son in July. I was a bit surprised at how large the Niro was. It looked similar to a Nissan Murano in size.
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:52 am

iPlug wrote:Well, we're in the market for a <$35k, 200+ mile range EV after incentives. Still waiting on Tesla, hoping they or Hyundai can deliver in a few months when our Leaf lease is up in April.


Start (2017/2018, Colorado):
2013 Honda Fit
2013 Prius Vagon

Sold both on private market for $20k;
Took advantage of $12k Tax incentives
Added $27k NET out of pocket

End:
2013 Nissan LEAF
2018 Tesla Model 3 LR

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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:07 am

That’s a great combo, and the extra EV range of the LR and supercharging network should make travels pretty smooth. I would go that way if I weren’t so cheap :D

Our current plan is to move next to 2 <$35k battery electric vehicles that each get over 200 mile EV range, but lease these for ~3 years. I think at the end of those leases we should be able to upgrade to 300+ mile EV range vehicles for the same or similar price, and the DC charging networks should be substantially more dense then and with faster charging speed capabilities.

Using the cost opportunity savings for other eco tech upgrades like decarbonizing our home.
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:03 pm

RegGuheert wrote:
iPlug wrote:Cargo space is nice, but want to stay in something smallish like a hatch and not too SUVish. We will check out the Niro.
I was at a Kia dealer with my son in July. I was a bit surprised at how large the Niro was. It looked similar to a Nissan Murano in size.

An optical illusion I guess, or just not having the two vehicles together to compare. If you saw the Niro indoors rather than outdoors, that might do it.

Murano, 192"L x 75" W x 67" H
Niro, 172" L x 71" W x 60" H
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