coldstorage5
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Replacing or repairing a 24/30KWh Battery by a 3rd party

Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:47 am

Hi, So Ive been looking since I bought my 2017 Nissan Leaf for a way to replace the battery by outside 3rd party repair shops.( I hold my cars for 12-15 years on average) I have not seen any anywhere. My though process was that there would be a way to replace the battery some day by not going to the dealership. I know these type of shops are open for the Prius ( yes the Prius is only 3-8.8KWh)

So..... Do you know of a store/Shop that offers a way to replace or repair teh cells on these 3oKW Batteries.
Thankyou,
CS
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coldstorage5
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Re: Replacing or repairing a 24/30KW Battery by a 3rd party

Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:51 am

http://store.newpriusbatteries.com/

I found this, and Im hoping to see something like this for the leaf

cwerdna
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Re: Replacing or repairing a 24/30KW Battery by a 3rd party

Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:16 am

Battery capacity is measured in kWh, not "KW".

See http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 69#p520169.

Your Leaf does have an 80 kW motor. See https://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa ... -press-kit.

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Re: Replacing or repairing a 24/30KW Battery by a 3rd party

Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:05 pm

There are good reasons to think that a 3rd party refurbishment will never happen but IMO the leaders are:

1. Pouch cells of the type that can be used for direct replacement are going out of style
2. The battery is too heavy to handle without dealership level infrastructure
3. A cell swap is labor intensive.
4. Active Nissan opposition

So far as I know we cannot even use the cells in a 40 kWh pack as direct replacements into the 30 or 24 kWh packs. That is a BAD sign.
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Re: Replacing or repairing a 24/30KW Battery by a 3rd party

Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:12 pm

The car is guaranteed for 8 years to be at least roughly 65% of original capacity. In 2025 I'm sure the EV market will be very different than what it is today so trying to plan for something that far in the future is difficult at best.

My 2017 Leaf was the first car I ever bought new and most of my other cars have been 10-20 years old as that is where the best value is for me. I do my own car repair work and find a lot of parts in local junkyards. It is sort of a hobby but also keeps my transportation costs very low.

I do plan to keep my Leaf for a long time (10+ years) but if/when the battery doesn't have the range I need I expect the options to be completely different than what is out there now. If I had to do it today, I would buy a battery from a wrecked car and swap the cells. IMO, the biggest hurdle is finding a used/wrecked car with cells that aren't already degraded too far and that make it worth the effort.

coldstorage5
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Re: Replacing or repairing a 24/30KW Battery by a 3rd party

Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:16 am

cwerdna wrote:Battery capacity is measured in kWh, not "KW".

See http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 69#p520169.

Your Leaf does have an 80 kW motor. See https://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa ... -press-kit.
Ok I feel Like Sheldon from the big Bang Theory just chimed in.....
I went back and edited it.
Thank you Sheldon for educating me

TexasLeaf
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Re: Replacing or repairing a 24/30KWh Battery by a 3rd party

Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:55 pm

I know of at least two companies that are trying to build a business out of refurbishing EV battery packs and yes they have already experience refurbishing Leaf packs. I will post the links to the companies when I get a chance. Nissan should also be offering refurbished packs in a few years from Japan plant, so, by the time your 2017 Leaf needs a new battery there should be plenty of companies around that offer refurbished packs.

One thing that really impressed me with Nissan is the 2018 Leaf is hardly a year old and you can already buy a service manual for it. Not that I plan to do any serious work on my 2018 Leaf, at least until it is out of warranty, but it’s nice to know I can get the manual I need to pull it apart if I have to. Doing things like swapping out battery packs gets a lot easier when you can get the manual that tells you how to do it.

One other thing you might want to consider, if you are willing to pay the price for a new battery pack, I have heard that Nissan offers a full 8 year/100,000 mile warranty on the new pack even if the pack is sitting in a ten year old car. That is quite a bit of security for such a large investment. You just have to decide if the car is worth hanging onto for the life of the new pack.
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TexasLeaf
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Re: Replacing or repairing a 24/30KWh Battery by a 3rd party

Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:28 pm

TexasLeaf wrote:I know of at least two companies that are trying to build a business out of refurbishing EV battery packs and yes they have already experience refurbishing Leaf packs. I will post the links to the companies when I get a chance.
Here are the links I promised;

http://www.thebatteryclinic.co.nz/nissa ... ditioning/

https://hybridindustries.webs.com/
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cwerdna
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Re: Replacing or repairing a 24/30KWh Battery by a 3rd party

Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:26 pm

TexasLeaf wrote:
TexasLeaf wrote:I know of at least two companies that are trying to build a business out of refurbishing EV battery packs and yes they have already experience refurbishing Leaf packs. I will post the links to the companies when I get a chance.
Here are the links I promised;
...
https://hybridindustries.webs.com/
LOL!!!!

Please see below:
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=21888
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 94#p513194
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 59#p460259
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 37#p460337
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 98#p519598
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 97#p518997

Until we hear actual success stories from this outfit, no thanks.

http://www.thebatteryclinic.co.nz/nissa ... ditioning/ is in New Zealand and their page says:
November 2018 Update: Success!!!
...
The second stage of this project will be looking at how we can reduce the cost of repair. Because currently the costs outweigh the value of the vehicle. So watch this space EV Owners help is coming!

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solartim
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Re: Replacing or repairing a 24/30KWh Battery by a 3rd party

Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:57 am

You should have plenty of time to find out if anyone comes up with one. Here's a thread on a recent one, Fenix Power, that looks promising
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=26597

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