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Here Is The Nissan LEAF e+ 62 kWh Battery: Video
https://insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-e-plus-62-kwh-battery/
https://insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-e-plus-62-kwh-battery/
I couldn’t find anything about this. What’s new with it?golfcart said:[*]Improved pro-pilot
Over the past year or two there has been widespread speculation that when Nissan announced a new 60-something kWh battery upgrade it would rely on cells from LG. Not true.
Huh ?LeftieBiker said:What a relief.
eplus said:I couldn’t find anything about this. What’s new with it?golfcart said:[*]Improved pro-pilot
jlv said:Will there be updated CHAdeMO in the US that will supply that faster rate? I suspect given it's success in Japan, it might happen there.golfcart said:* Faster QC
jlv said:Will there be updated CHAdeMO in the US that will supply that faster rate? I suspect given it's success in Japan, it might happen there.golfcart said:* Faster QC
Kieran973 said:Can anyone on MNL speak to the driveability of the Leaf (any model year, really) after its battery has degraded below 66% capacity? I've heard conflicting things about this. Some people on other forums have claimed that once an EV's battery reaches its "end of life" (say, 70%), the problem isn't just depleted range but a compromised drivetrain - the car itself will have less power, will have much slower acceleration, can turn off without warning, etc. But for those of you who have kept your Leafs beyond 8 capacity bars, is this actually true? Is it just FUD?
I'm asking because I'm thinking about the 2019 Leaf Plus and trying to imagine what years 10-15 of ownership might look like. Could you still drive this car with a battery that has 40-50% SOH? Let's say the battery in the 62 kWh Leaf will have an average annual degradation of 4% a year. This means that it would hit 66% in 8.5 years (just enough time for Nissan to tell Leaf owners, "good luck with your battery problem!"). On the one hand, this would objectively suck. But on the other hand, you'd still have basically the same range as a 2018 Leaf (149.16 miles EPA). After 10 years, you'd still have more range than a 2017 Leaf (60% SOH, 135.6 miles EPA), and after 15 years, you'd still have more range than a 2015 Leaf (40% SOH, 90.4 miles EPA). So, depending on whether you could pick up a 2019 Leaf Plus at a relative bargain towards the end of 2019 (assuming that dealer discounts, tax incentives, and utility rebates push the out-of-pocket cost for the S Plus down to say the low to mid 20K area), then, from a TCO perspective, a 2019 Leaf Plus that can serve as a long-range-capable car for 5-7 years, and then as a comfortable commuter car for 7-10 years after that, starts to make at least hypothetical sense. But can you drive it safely and reliably when the SOH drops below 66%? Will it merge onto highways OK? Will it suddenly lose power when you're cruising on the highway?
Do realize the longer you drive "any" car, the greater the possibility of random weird issues.
There is a point at which driveability issues emerge, but I think that it's more like 33% or less remaining capacity than 66%. There are 6 bar losers out there, and AFAIK what mostly suffers at that point is the regenerative braking.
Kieran973 said:Do realize the longer you drive "any" car, the greater the possibility of random weird issues.
Indeed. My last car was a 2001 Honda Civic that, after only 150,000 miles, developed a bad alternator, and the whole car suddenly turned off when I was in the left lane on an interstate. So I agree that ICE cars definitely have weird issues towards the end of their lives. I'm just trying to confirm that once an EV battery reaches end of life and the SOH drops below 70ish%, you don't necessarily have to get a new battery or get rid of the car, as long as you can live with the reduced range....
EVgo is nearly finished upgrading their first site from 50 kW to 100 kW CCS and CHAdeMO.DaveinOlyWA said:jlv said:Will there be updated CHAdeMO in the US that will supply that faster rate? I suspect given it's success in Japan, it might happen there.golfcart said:* Faster QC
EVGO has said they will implement as it becomes available which likely means as stations break such. EA has only said they would upgrade CCS without mentioning chademo so....?
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