So you want an electric car, perhaps a LEAF? Read this first.
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jlv
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I like the new wording.WetEV said:
But it definitely depends upon the company!
When I got my LEAF, my employer had 2 charging stations. Our Founder/CEO was an early plug-in adopter - he had one of the first Volts, and now drives a 3. He's committed to scaling charging availability. We've now got about 60 EVSEs and well over 120 plug-ins.
smkettner
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Same for apartment dwellers or renting in general..... if the owner has an EV you probably have a good shot at having the proper charging installed.SageBrush said:
IssacZachary
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This thread is a good for general assumptions. But is there anyway it could be made less vague? I mean, let's put some numbers here. Maybe graphs explaining current estimated TCO's, estimated battery life due to climate and other factors, range charts, etc.
Just a suggestion.
Just a suggestion.
WetEV
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IssacZachary said:This thread is a good for general assumptions. But is there anyway it could be made less vague? I mean, let's put some numbers here. Maybe graphs explaining current estimated TCO's, estimated battery life due to climate and other factors, range charts, etc.
Just a suggestion.
Good suggestions, I'll see what I can do.
I'm working on a battery "life beyond the warranty", lots to research to make sure I'm as close as I can be.
IssacZachary
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By playing around with Edmund's TCO calculator, I found this. These are the estimated total cost of ownership of each Nissan Leaf for 5 years as of January 31, 2019:
Without tax credits
YEAR____S_______SV______SL___
New2018 $44,497 $48,000 $50,716
New2017 $31,530 $32,742 $35,096
Used2016 $26,399 $28,604 $30,079
Used2015 $25,358 $27,977 $28,107
Used2014 $24,667 $25,765 $27,168
Used2013 $23,238 $24,370 $24,424
With $7,500 federal tax credit
YEAR____S_______SV______SL___
New2018 $36,997 $40,500 $43,216
New2017 $24,030 $25,242 $27,596
Edmund's doesn't have any info yet on the 2019 models.
Without tax credits
YEAR____S_______SV______SL___
New2018 $44,497 $48,000 $50,716
New2017 $31,530 $32,742 $35,096
Used2016 $26,399 $28,604 $30,079
Used2015 $25,358 $27,977 $28,107
Used2014 $24,667 $25,765 $27,168
Used2013 $23,238 $24,370 $24,424
With $7,500 federal tax credit
YEAR____S_______SV______SL___
New2018 $36,997 $40,500 $43,216
New2017 $24,030 $25,242 $27,596
Edmund's doesn't have any info yet on the 2019 models.
WetEV
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IssacZachary said:
This TCO calculator is at
https://www.edmunds.com/tco.html
I have several personal dislikes for this calculator.
- It is based on 5 year ownership. I'd rather look at a longer term, perhaps 8 or 10 years. Or better yet, let me select the term. Let me see the difference between a 3 year lease and an 8 year ownership.
- Based on 15,000 miles a year. Let me select the mile per year.
- Taxes and fees isn't close. I pay $233 per year. Estimate is $50
- Insurance cost goes down as the car gets older. Replacing a 5 year old car is much cheaper than replacing a brand new car.
- Fuel isn't bad first year for charging at home, but electric rates have not risen that fast in the past. Also, how much (paid or free?) public charging?
- Maintenance is just wrong. Way too high.
I'm trying to think about how to put this information into this topic. Perhaps a web based spreadsheet?
Edmunds calculator is way off for my location. Taxes and fees are way too high; maintenance is about 50% higher than actual; fuel costs are about right for first year, but not likely to increase as much as calculator shows; insurance is in ballpark for first year, but should drop as car ages (assuming only car--my cost is much lower with multiple vehicle discounts). I looked at both 2015 and 2018 calculations for Phoenix. I have very little maintenance expense except tires (figure 2 or 3 sets of tires for 5 years and 75,000 miles of use).
IssacZachary
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That would be awesome! I posted the Edmunds TCO information because that's about all that I can find.WetEV said:
As far as Edmunds TCO accuracy goes, I've found their insurance estimates to be less than what I normally pay.
And I do believe that the maintenance price includes tires every so often, which aren't cheap either.Similar threads
