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lorenfb said:
Oils4AsphaultOnly said:
And you're begging the question. You can't ask the question "knowing" that the issue is demand - that's an ingrained assumption. As long as production hasn't reached their goal of a sustained 7k/week, then it's still a constraint. There were 5 ships in Jan with Teslas onboard for Europe and China, assuming 3000 cars per ship, plus the 6500 estimate for north america, that's barely less than 6k/week sustained production. Tesla only managed to hit peak production of 7k/week in Dec. Reverting back to a slower sustained production rate after a burst has been their SOP for awhile now.

There are many questions about the decision to reduce the price, but reduced demand is only one amongst many possible answers. Driving mindshare as a marketing tool to keep customers from even considering buying a gas vehicle is a better reason.

Incongruous hyperbolic rambling, as one might expect from a Tesla "fan boy"! And yes, Tesla's decision to have price reductions relates
to its benevolence, the concern for continued dominance of ICEV appeal verses BEV appeal, or its concern about increasing AGW, right?
Why be concerned about Tesla GAAP profitability, the CFO just quit , and when altruistic motives are believed to be more valued by
Tesla shareholders, e.g. fan boys? In all seriousness, given Elon, who really knows what motivates the decisions at Tesla.

And with regard to the M3, maybe as one financial analyst suggested with Tesla's recent acquisition of Maxwell, ultra-capacitors can
possibly help Tesla achieve the imaginary $35K M3 much sooner. Anyone want to calculate the size of the capacitor needed to replace
a 60 kWh battery? Remember energy stored in a capacitor is 1/2 C V^2.

Leave it to you to twist things around to suit your narratives. Note, ultracapacitors are too expensive to make a $35k M3 sooner. It's the dry electrode tech that might, so you're half right about the Maxwell acquisition.

As for the "CFO quit" narrative. The CFO announced his retirement. He still worked for Tesla at the time of the Q4 earnings call and had said that he will still be working there for a few more months to transition things to Zach Kirkhorn. Don't know if you remember, but he had retired before (2015 annual shareholders meeting), but had to come back because Wheeler wasn't up to the job. All the short headlines was that the CFO had quit. What happened to the Tesla bankruptcy that first time?

"incongruous hyperbolic rambling"? ... yeah, no comment.
 
Fred Christenhusz @FredChristenhus
Thanks @elonmusk for the first Tesla Model 3 in Europe. 1 week before scheduled!!
https://twitter.com/FredChristenhus/status/1093526614384828418
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I figured this should be added here. Some folks in another Tesla thread at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=549175#p549175 noticed today there's no longer any mention of the standard range version when you try to go through the order process online.

It used to say SR was coming 4-6 months and had said that as recently as in the past week or two. IIRC, it also had that "estimate" in 2018.
 
cwerdna said:
I figured this should be added here. Some folks in another Tesla thread at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=549175#p549175 noticed today there's no longer any mention of the standard range version when you try to go through the order process online.

It used to say SR was coming 4-6 months and had said that as recently as in the past week or two. IIRC, it also had that "estimate" in 2018.

I'm holding out that the MR (currently $37k with PUP) eventually gets price reduced to the $35k (without PUP), but might want to get that crow ready. :(
 
Oils4AsphaultOnly said:
cwerdna said:
I figured this should be added here. Some folks in another Tesla thread at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=549175#p549175 noticed today there's no longer any mention of the standard range version when you try to go through the order process online.

It used to say SR was coming 4-6 months and had said that as recently as in the past week or two. IIRC, it also had that "estimate" in 2018.

I'm holding out that the MR (currently $37k with PUP) eventually gets price reduced to the $35k (without PUP), but might want to get that crow ready. :(

Better to get the crow ready than the horse that some have beaten here for years into powder:)
 
Oils4AsphaultOnly said:
I'm holding out that the MR (currently $37k with PUP) eventually gets price reduced to the $35k (without PUP), but might want to get that crow ready. :(
Huh?

MR w/PUP as a forced feature currently starts at $42,900 + $1,200 destination & doc fee. Also, since I do NOT buy black cars, the other colors are $1500 to $2500 more. I'd pick white, which is $2K more.
 
cwerdna said:
Oils4AsphaultOnly said:
I'm holding out that the MR (currently $37k with PUP) eventually gets price reduced to the $35k (without PUP), but might want to get that crow ready. :(
Huh?

MR w/PUP as a forced feature currently starts at $42,900 + $1,200 destination & doc fee. Also, since I do NOT buy black cars, the other colors are $1500 to $2500 more. I'd pick white, which is $2K more.

my bad. You're right. $38k + $5k PUP.
 
Strange goings on in the interwebs. The standard range battery has disappeared from the order page.
https://electrek.co/2019/02/18/tesla-standard-model-3-battery-website-fans-panic/

https://youtu.be/lGpxTzNrNdk
 
solartim said:
Strange goings on in the interwebs. The standard range battery has disappeared from the order page.
https://electrek.co/2019/02/18/tesla-standard-model-3-battery-website-fans-panic/

https://youtu.be/lGpxTzNrNdk

eletrek click-bait FUD.
 
WetEV said:
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-deletes-standard-model-3-website-2019-2

Regurgitated FUD. "Quietly deletes" What a joke of a headline, as if companies announce ever website update. I can't believe how pathetic blog titles are. So now Tesla is never making a lower priced EV because they changed their webpage "quietly" I have never seen a more pathetic attempt to influence stock prices as I have with Tesla.
 
EVDRIVER said:
WetEV said:
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-deletes-standard-model-3-website-2019-2

Regurgitated FUD. "Quietly deletes" What a joke of a headline, as if companies announce ever website update. I can't believe how pathetic blog titles are. So now Tesla is never making a lower priced EV because they changed their webpage "quietly" I have never seen a more pathetic attempt to influence stock prices as I have with Tesla.

Have they discontinued the SR Model 3, or not? That's what matters.
 
LeftieBiker said:
EVDRIVER said:
WetEV said:
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-deletes-standard-model-3-website-2019-2

Regurgitated FUD. "Quietly deletes" What a joke of a headline, as if companies announce ever website update. I can't believe how pathetic blog titles are. So now Tesla is never making a lower priced EV because they changed their webpage "quietly" I have never seen a more pathetic attempt to influence stock prices as I have with Tesla.

Have they discontinued the SR Model 3, or not? That's what matters.

Let's hope so as it means mid-range will be the standard most likely.
 
LeftieBiker said:
EVDRIVER said:
WetEV said:
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-deletes-standard-model-3-website-2019-2

Regurgitated FUD. "Quietly deletes" What a joke of a headline, as if companies announce ever website update. I can't believe how pathetic blog titles are. So now Tesla is never making a lower priced EV because they changed their webpage "quietly" I have never seen a more pathetic attempt to influence stock prices as I have with Tesla.

Have they discontinued the SR Model 3, or not? That's what matters.

Even that doesn't really matter. What really matters (to me, and others) is whether or not Tesla continues on its path to achieve affordable, mass market sustainable transportation, or do they decide to just become another luxury automaker and be content with high profit margin vehicles sold in relatively low volume.

What really matters to shareholders is simply whether or not Tesla achieves profits to justify its market cap/stock price.

While either of those may imply a $35,000, 220 mile range vehicle without premium options, neither actually requires it.

And a particular schedule is not required either. If Tesla can't keep up with demand for its more expensive models as it is (and I realize there is significant debate about whether or not that is the case), then it should be acceptable to both groups to roll profits from those vehicles into additional capacity and cost improvements to eventually allow them to cross the "affordable" barrier (which was somewhat arbitrarily set at $35,000 in 2016, although that's actually a pretty fair number.

I personally don't think there is any doubt that Tesla will eventually get there. The economics of EVs themselves will make this happen. It may not happen on whatever schedule Elon says (he rarely gets the timing right) . And I don't think the mission of Tesla to transform the industry to sustainable transport has wavered at all.

At the end of the day, complaining about the fact that the $35,000 Tesla is not yet available is usually nothing more than an attempt to discredit Tesla. Yes, there are people that are legitimately waiting for that price point to jump into the EV market. Well guess what...it's simply not economical yet, but we are getting there, and will get there. You'll just have to settle for a slightly lesser vehicle for the time being. Hey, I think the Hyundai Kona EV could be an amazing vehicle if they commit to making enough of them.
 
At the end of the day, complaining about the fact that the $35,000 Tesla is not yet available is usually nothing more than an attempt to discredit Tesla. Yes, there are people that are legitimately waiting for that price point to jump into the EV market. Well guess what...it's simply not economical yet, but we are getting there, and will get there. You'll just have to settle for a slightly lesser vehicle for the time being. Hey, I think the Hyundai Kona EV could be an amazing vehicle if they commit to making enough of them.

I'm not trying to discredit Tesla, affect stock prices, or even just take pot shots at them. I really wanted them to succeed. But if one of the main points of their mission statement turns out to be hogwash (and yes, it DOES matter if they produce an affordable Tesla soon, since that has been one of their selling points to investors, the government, the public...) then their image loses some of its sheen. I'm not satisfied with choosing to believe that someday, maybe far in the future, they will make affordable mass market cars.

As for "lesser" cars, as long as they make fast, uncomfortable cars without a luxury ride option, heated steering wheel, doors that can be opened reliably in subzero temps, little things like that, the Model 3 is, for many of us, just a very expensive "lesser car."
 
Other leaked news/rumor this week was that Tesla has decided on a non-upgraded interior. If true then a less expensive Tesla will show up soon, although one cannot be sure whether it will be the $35k model. I'll guess under $40k for sure.
 
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